Rant #3: A "Charmed" Spin-Off? What the Hell is Wrong with Fans???
Kuno's mood is: uncomprehendingThere's a mobile billboard parked across the street from our offices; and, more pertinently, across the street from CBS Enterprises, a television production and distribution company.
It was placed there by a group of fans demanding a "Charmed" spin-off.
What the HELL has happened to fandom?
Are we so desperate for sci-fi and fantasy content, we'll not only put up with crappy novelizations ("Star Wars" and "Star Trek" books), crappy TV movies (I'm thinking anything produced by the Sci-Fi Channel), lousy comic book adaptations (I'm looking at YOU, Jessica Alba), and execrable TV shows, but we'll BEG FOR MORE?
Why, in the late '60s and early '70s, did America's legions of sci-fi fans make themselves known by clamoring for the return of "Star Trek?" Maybe because many episodes of that show were brilliant, written by top genre scribes? Maybe because there had never been anything like it on television before? Maybe because it offered a hopeful future free from racism and war? Maybe because it was the only alternative to the "talking carrot" seasons of "Lost in Space?"
But the legacy of the successful effort to save "Trek," here in the 21st Century, is that every time a sci-fi show gets cancelled, someone has to rally to save it, whether the show deserves it or not. Occasionally, the effort is worthwhile ("Firefly"). Other times, it's simply baffling ("Enterprise," "Stargate SG-1").
Should every sci-fi show, regardless of merit, last forever? And merit doesn't seem to have anything to do with it -- where were the legions to save the live-action "The Tick," a show genuinely worth saving? Or "Max Headroom?"
I've gotten a lot of grief for daring to criticize "Babylon 5." But you know what? Good or bad, B5 was a labor of love by one man, J. Michael Straczynski. I think the people who worship that show are basically responding to the man and his vision. Like Chris Carter or Joss Whedon or even Gene Roddenberry, Straczynski had a message and was able to get it across. B5 may have been art of inconsistent quality, but it was art.
"Charmed" was not art. It was PRODUCT. It was not a labor of love. Tori Spelling saw "The Craft," and told her dad, who said "hey, I could sell that pile of shit to 13-year-old girls." "Charmed" was focus-group-driven pablum, pretty actresses surrounded by cheap and lazy special effects. As an "occult drama" it had all the depth of "Bewitched" (but none of the charm).
Christ, it's not just that "Charmed" was bad. Lots of worthwhile things are "bad." It's that "Charmed" didn't matter. At all. Nor did its creators intend it to matter. It was designed to fill an hour of network time, and lure teens with undeveloped tastes into watching commercials for skin cleaner.
My message to the people who want a "Charmed" spin-off: all the money you spent on that billboard could have been spent to feed the homeless, cure Cystic Fibrosis, or bring back "Firefly." Try developing some discretion. The creative community can do a hell of a lot better than "Charmed" -- and so can you.
Labels: charmed, fandom, rant, television
posted by Sauron at 6:19 PM
74 Comments:
You really are a complete asshole. But what else can you expect from a grown man who requests that 13 year old girls visit his myspace page.
Your reasoned argument and good-hearted passion have completely changed my mind. I now wholeheartedly support this effort.
No wait -- the other thing. Your callowness and inability to detect sarcasm have supported my argument.
Thanks for visiting! See you at the "Fans For A 'Small Wonder' Movie" meeting!
I watched Charmed five times during different seasons (each time hoping that it had gotten better). It was terrible and it was terrible consistently. All I have to say to your argument is "Here, Here!"
On another note, a Professor at my university is starting a class to look at the politics of Sci-Fi and asked me for ideas for recent subject matter that he could use. I failed find a single example of a really good Sci-Fi series or film that has come out in the last six months. I went further back (four years) and the only thing that I could think of was Firefly, and early episodes of the new BSG. Is this or is this not one of the worst times to be a Sci-Fi geek?
On a side note; for really good fantasy you might want to check out the Dresden Files novels by Jim Butcher, shortly to become a series on the Sci-Fi channel (which I'm sure they'll ruin).
Anonymous said...
You really are a complete asshole. But what else can you expect from a grown man who requests that 13 year old girls visit his myspace page.
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anonmymus ... I couldn't agree more
OMG the asshole who writed this blog really is deeply sad, first of all Charmed is a great show and has more fans then you can imagine, and if they want to continue this fine story by a Spin-Off ... Please let them be ...
I WANT YOU CHARMED FANS TO KNOW I REALLY LIKE THE IDEA OF AN CHARMED SPIN-OFF.
Many shows got spin-off's it's time Charmed did aswell. I have never seen a show who had so many loyal fans ...
Forever Charmed ...
This might not be important for you, but it is for Charmed fans. Have you got any idea why the fans are doing this? If not, you should do better research before posting something stupid like this.
If you think this was useless and this money could have been spent better, you're wrong, because in that way people could stop producing any show or movie and use the money for something else.
Or why don't you give up your Internet (and stop writing crap) and use the money for charity? I'm sure that would be better than your Internet.
well first as always you are entitled to your opinion but allow me to enlighten you. charmed may not have been a ratings winner every week but it has things most shows don't. the loyal fans supported it when no one else thought it could stay on the air. it survived multiple time and day chnages. and a major cast change to boot. so no maybe it's not a show that you loved but we do. and we believe in our efforts. and stand firmly by our convictions. we are not merely a group of crazed fans. we are an online community. we are family. and family supports and defends one another to fight another day. and so that is what we are doing. i'm sorry if you cannot compute such a simple idea as that. thank you.
Dude, you're well-entitled to your opinion - this is America, afterall.
Oh, btw, those over at charmedsons.com thank you very much for the publicity - you were even kind enough to show a picture- you can't imagine how much attention is being drawn to the cause due to your rants and raves! Thanks so much, and have a great day!
Hi
I just wanted to say that is a very strong opinion you have there. I am not going to tell you your wrong nor will I tell you your right that’s not my job and your more then welcome to voice your thoughts but maybe it would not hurt to put a little more thought in and less judgment.
Just because some people might not like something does not make it crap. If pizza or soda (am just giving an example anything could be put in this place) was made by a complete and total asshole would you stop enjoying them? My point be on this matter is Mr. Spelling might not be…in your thoughts a nice person or others but he still did come up with something that got many people to turn there heads. It takes a lot of people to pull a show together and you can’t really say that all of these people hate their jobs and only do it for the money. If you look at any behind the senses on the set of Charmed you will see laughing, joking around and just good fun that we would all be very lucky to have in our lives. Sure people work to get paid that’s the way it works everyone has to pay the bills but just cause you get paid big bucks does not mean you cant enjoy your work.
You said this show meant nothing it was just to fill up air time. Well am not some big owner of some hot channel station but if I was I sure as heck would not want my ratings to go down and put something on air that no one watched that would be just silly. People did watch Charmed and did fall in love with it. I …being one of those people. I can’t say why everyone watched it but for me it was not the cheep special affects or because it was a sci-fi show. It was more of the bound that was there between the charters and the fact that they had these hard things to get threw in there life. Sometimes normal things that are so small but you know how they can get to you …like someone borrowing something with out asking. At other times it was life threaten as in demons are going to kills them and for me the fantasy and bad looking costumes just made it fun.
As well I say who are any of us to say what is not art? Some people find art in a black and white photo of a bag blow in the wind as others find it in a TV show and really does it matter what touches us what gets people to group together for a common good? Yes I know your going say the billboard and all that money was stupid and a waste... as you said. So what? People toss the money towards many of things it’s why they make it so they can do what they want with it. I know when I have the money to spare I will be donating some money to http://www.thecharmedsons.com/ cause I would like to see a spin-off of the show too. Sure there is many things people can do on to help others with there money but who says I or these other people don’t do that already on other days? So we put off getting a CD or something we want and put it towards getting something else we want like a billboard …it’s our choice. ‘WE’ like it and want to do it.
Why put down people down? You had said the money could have been used to help get Firefly back well then you are a fan just like us just only for another show. You know what it’s like to be put down for enjoying something others didn’t and if no one ever said anything bad to you for liking Firefly then am sure there was something else you have been made fun of for or just put down. It’s not nice thing to do and it does not make you any better of a person for doing. Just before you look down at and judge other people so harshly maybe you could look at your self some. A lot of the times what we don’t like in other people is what we see in our selves, after all the worst enemy we all can have is our selves.
Anyways since you are offering the chance here for publicity and for others to notice what’s going on thanks and everyone out there that is a Charmed fan rock on. If you have not gone to http://www.thecharmedsons.com/ be sure to cheek out it’s a great site!
Hope ^_^
You really haven't even done research, have you? by the way you worded your blog, you make it sound as though er're trying to "preserve" Charmed, when it fact, a large number of our members don't even like Charmed. several, including the sites' co-creator and myself, havne't watched it since season six. Charmed is dead, we know that; we're just trying to recapture one of Charmed most popular cgarectors; you know, the one who raised the raitings to the highest in three years? the one who, after his death, ratings fell to record lows? the audience is out there, wether you like it or not.
Thanks to those who posted support! I assumed it was gonna be all haters.
The main argument from the "Charmed" supporters here seems to be "it was popular, therefore good." That's precisely the lack of taste and discretion I'm decrying. It's the same lack of sophistication that leads people to think that someone who wins "American Idol" must be a good singer.
There also seems to be an assumption that I'm a hate-filled asshole who wants to steal the joy from a crowd of innocent, well-intentioned fans. You're wrong.
If I trolled a "Charmed" fan board, and said things like "Charmed = teh suxxor, l0zers!" then yes, I would be an asshole. But these people got POLITICAL. They became activists, spent money, and put a billboard in a public place.
Do they really think they should be immune from criticism? That they can place their ideas in a public forum, but remain immune from criticism or question?
Do they think they're a religion?
They say they're a community. True. I'm part of that community too. It's called Fandom, the global community of sc-fi, fantasy, and horror fans. Part of what that community does is support the kind of art we love, by pressuring content makers, or becoming content makers ourselves, or just by providing a large, consistent market.
But it's also our job to demand BETTER from those who create genre content. It's our job to support the high-quality artists, writers, filmmakers, and producers. And we should be critical of the people who produce pablum.
And if you're going to SPEND MONEY and LOBBY to get a company to produce more low quality content, then I am going to fight you on it. Proudly. For the sake of the fan community.
This is too funny. What a hypocrite...
Smile Pedophile!
Ok you don’t like Charmed we are not trying to force you to. Another thing it’s not about Charmed. All of this ranting and raving you are doing you have yet said anything on what the subject really is about. A Spin-off from the show Charmed dealing and focusing around two other charters brought into the show; them being the sons of one of the witches in Charmed.
Demand better you say … well we are! If you would take just a little time to look and not just talk before you even know what you’re talking about it might help and might not make people see you as such a … erm …you have seen what they have said.
Moving on you said “Do they really think they should be immune from criticism? That they can place their ideas in a public forum, but remain immune from criticism or question?”
No we don’t but some valid criticism for the show we actually want to get on air would be nice. Hey maybe you could even help try and give some pointers as what would help make this spin-off better. That for sure would be great some, constructive criticism. As for asking questions this is a friendly group of nice people. They answer questions and are happy to get them this meaning that people are taking an interest in what they are doing. I will say this however you seem to be trying to be rude when asking,
“Do they think they’re a religion?”
What is that about? Sorry no cult leaders and followers here, trying to lure pre-teen girls or boys. Come on now you seem intelligent (though I have been wrong before) if your going to ask questions can the rude demeanor or at lest put it back behind solid points dealing with the real subject here.
Lots of spin-off shows have done much better then the show they have come from. Maybe it could be a flop or maybe it would really great and you would find yourself enjoying it as well. Thing is we don’t know yet we have ideals of how it could be but that’s all. We enjoyed those two charters and saw how there could be something more with them.
How is us demanding and trying for this spin-off in anyway wrong? I mean that is what you are saying right? You’re putting people down for an ideal and a hope of something better that they saw that could work yet at the same time you seem almost clueless to the topic.
Suggestions you might what to think about. Why not go to http://www.thecharmedsons.com/ find out a little bit of what they are all about. You could as well maybe cheek out the two charters everyone seems so crazy over and wants to have a show. You could watch clips or the full shows dealing with these charters. After all you did say you where going to fight against it so no better way then to really know what you’re fighting against.
Hope ^_^
On my blog page, the following text appears:
"If you're a 13-year-old girl, visit my personal myspace page."
This is a joke, a reference to the popular misconception that only 13-year-old girls use myspace.
If you are reading this, and you GENUINELY BELIEVED that I was publicly and blatantly soliciting pre-teen girls on my company's web site, do me a favor and kick yourself in the ass. You deserve it.
No we don’t but some valid criticism for the show we actually want to get on air would be nice.
So in addition to "'Charmed' was popular so it's good," you're adding "'Charmed' was bad, but 'Charmed Sons' would be better."
If the "Charmed Sons" spin off is "Charmed," then there is no reason to believe it would not be as inane and poorly executed as "Charmed."
If the spin-off ISN'T "Charmed," then why use the name at all? Write your own pilot script about a couple of supernatural guys, and shop it around.
I have already explained why I think "Charmed" was inconsequential and undeserving of fan respect. And I have already explained how I believe your efforts are harming the fan community.
You think I'm not being "nice?" Get over yourself. You're not that important. I'm not being mean -- I'm criticizing you over something you apparently believed you wouldn't be criticized for. You were wrong.
If you genuinely believed in what you are doing, you would be able to eloquently defend it instead of attacking the messenger with absurd charges of pedophilia.
Not a single person has said "'Charmed' was a great show, brilliantly written and acted. It's a touchstone of modern television." You haven't said that because it would be a lie. The best you can come up with is "I liked it."
You seem to think if I came to your website, I'd be so impressed with your community that I would change my mind. And you know what? I really might be impressed with your community.
But I'm not criticizing your community. I'm criticizing your decision to politicize your fandom, and what you chose to politicize.
Here's an idea: if someone has alraedy said what you wanted to say, don't write it again. So far on this comment page there have been four opinions offered:
Kunochan is an idiot/pedophile/asshole/bad man (in which case why read the blog) Total:4
SF is going down hill (supporting the original post) Total: 2
Charmed was ok and I liked it (rebuttal) Total: 5
Charmed was bad but charmed sons will be good (poor rebuttal) Total:2
Let's try to write something original please. And to that end I say:
Charmed was a mildly decent concept, poorly executed. A good concept does not, a good show, make (Charmed, Touched by an Angel). However a poor concept executed well (Early Stargate episodes, Seinfeld) is at least mildly entertaining.
Those of you defending the concept: fine. Those of you defending the show: there's no accounting for taste.
In addition, if you think Charmed was bad, but Charmed Sons could be good, why go to the network that destroyed Charmed for the spin-off? Why not go petition another network that's known for good Fantasy to buy it. (Oh that's right, there isn't one. And I realize I just repeated opinion number 2.)
And that's all I have to say.
You know what your a jerk for one I think we have the right to spend money on what every we want and you know you said we dont need anymore Scifi shows yet they come up with a stupid reality t.v show every 20 seconds. charmed was a show that people actually liked and I think that people have the right to there own likes and di-likes anybody eles who thinks this guy is a Prick visit www.thecharmedsons.com
Let me ask you something. Let's say the Spelling people see your billboard and give you a meeting. You pitch your show. They are critical of the idea, and ask you to respond.
What the hell are you going to say? "Oh, you guys are so mean! What an asshole! We like this idea, so you should do it!"
Seriously, if you can't respond to me like adults, how the hell could you survive a pitch meeting? Have you ever been in a pitch meeting? I have. They will not be nice to you, even if they're genuinely interested. They will test your resolve.
I guess I don't have to worry about a "Charmed Sons" spin-off, do I?
No one has said that Charmed was great?
I think Charmed was Great, Awesome even... During the first 3 years of the show. I was hooked. Season 4 was great but it wasn't as strong as it could have been.
Season 5 through 8 is when things got worse and worse and worse even but I stuck through it. I was waiting for the moment they would bring back the darkness, the drama, the classic Charmed seasons 1-4 were but they didn't. They ruined Charmed the last couple years and it pissed me off and I'm sure it pissed a lot of fans and people off. They had so much potential to make the show go out with a bang but they didn't do it.
An episode featuring both Wyatt and Chris is season 6 gained SIX MILLION VIEWERS. Charmed hasn't seen that kind of number since season 3. There was an interest with these characters. Yea, they were great but what was much greater was that we all though original Charmed was back. The darkness, the seriousness, the drama. Two brothers against one another. One stronger than the other. It has its own story in the making. I believe a spin-off would have major potential.
And whats this about The Charmed Sons. Thats not even the name of the show everyone is pitching. Thats just a name temporarily given because thats who they are, they are the CHARMED SONS. That doesn't mean its going to be the name of the show.
And we don't want just regular supernatural guys with powers. Thats basically SUPERNATURAL. We want Wes and Drew (Wyatt and Chris).
Two guys, two brothers, two men works. You can see that with shows like SUPERNATURAL, and PRISON BREAK. etc.
Look at Buffy, a female main character. And look at Angel, a male lead, it was highly successful. The Charmed Spin-off could have the same success and if not, at least everyone tried.
Angel /was/ highly successful, it just wasn't good, merely adequate. Just remember that spin-offs are rarely as good as the original, especially in the Sci-Fi/Fantasy realm. BSG 1980, Stargate Atlantis, Enterprise, Crusade, Young Hercules, Highlander: The Raven, and Team Knight Rider were all somewhat less than stellar.
There are a few exceptions such as TNG, and Xena (better than Hercules), but they are few and far between.
No one has said that Charmed was great?
Now see, was that so hard? And you didn't even call me a child molester.
Unfortunately, I also watched a few episodes of "Charmed" in the beginning, and I still don't understand what you responded to. I just found the occult milieu to be so shallow. Basically, they weren't occult characters -- they had superpowers.
Have you read "The Sandman?" That's really the best modern occult fantasy I've encountered. Maybe it ruined me for anything less layered, complex and researched.
I also agree that you should have your opinion but.... Charmed was a great show...I have to admit not in every season but it was brilliant in parts and still has the potetial to be that again in the form of a spin-off...
Dude I don't care why you wrote it. To be funny or whatever. You can't put, "thirteen year old girls visit my myspace" anywhere online. You just can't. Even if your only kidding.Charmed was a good show and it had good morals. It promoted feminism and showed young girls that women can be just as strong as men and if you can't see that it must be because your a sexist pig who has nothing better to do than sit on his ass all day and rave and rant about trivial things like why people who want to get Charmed back are idiots and what's wrong with Al Pacino. I'm sure your very happy living in your mother's basement. Do yourself a favor buddy ditch the blog, get off your ass, and get a job. Maybe you already have one I don't know, but if you have enough time to write this stuff then you definately have too much time on your hands.
Peace out.
That's funny. I "can't" make a joke about 13-year-old girls on myspace, but you can get your panties all wet about a TV show intended for 13-year-old girls.
Huh.
And the reason I have time to write is that I get PAID to write.
I get paid to write because people like you take the time to come to my blog and read about how stupid you are for wanting a "Charmed" spin-off. So, thank you.
I never said people were stupid for liking "Charmed." I said their tastes were indiscriminate.
I never said people who liked "Charmed" were not entitled to their opinion.
I have noted that of all the people to post here, only one could reasonably defend why they like the show. All the other have resorted to (1) personal attacks or (2) acting hurt that some stranger dared disagree with them.
Have you noticed that I have not gone to charmedsons.com? That's because it's a fan community. If I went there, I'd be trolling. People go there for support, not criticism.
But when they put up a billboard, they opened themselves to public debate. I made my blog a place for that debate. So, feel free to debate. Defend, attack, whatever.
But I don't go to charmedsons.com and attack people personally. So don't come here and attack me personally.
So far, the only "assholes" have been the "Charmed" fans. Now what do you think the "Ps" would have to say about that?
I just find it amusing what you listed as the alternative possibile uses the money for this billboard could have gone too. As for feeding the homeless and curing cystic fibrosis, of course those are worthy causes it is easy to reach for the moral high ground by listing, but who's to say these same people have not also donated money to these causes as well? Who are you to tell them how to spend their money? Have you spent nothing of your own money on anything other than living expenses and donating to worthy causes that forward the human race? Somehow I highly doubt it. But what made me laugh was the claim that they could have used this money to save Firefly. Let me make the disclaimer that I, too, am a huge Firefly fan. However, if I recall correctly, there WAS a huge movement to save Firefly that raised quite a bit of money, garnered quite a bit of publicity, and was largely successful. It was the first and only (that I am aware of) TV show that was cancelled after only 11 episodes were aired (and 13 made) to make the jump to a big screen movie. The fan support did that. Sure, it may not have saved the show in the same way the Family Guy campaign did, but it DID save the show and bring it to a whole new level. Why are you saying this campaign doesn't deserve the same chance? There were certainly a lot more viewers of Charmed than Firefly. In any case, they're not trying to "save Charmed", they're trying to get a spinoff with a different cast and slant, but even if they WERE trying to "save Charmed", who are you to tell them their money is better spent saving the show YOU prefer? I've spent money on both causes and I honestly don't see how one is more valid than the other other than the fact that it's the cause YOU prefer.
Obviously this is not a show or a cause everyone is going to support and a lot of people are going to have criticisms about it. They are perfectly valid and may have a point and it's possible those criticisms may win out. In any case, I don't think it was your criticism and your dislike of Charmed or this campaign that garnered such an angry response from thecharmedsons community, but the manner in which you stated it. However, this blog IS titled a "rant". You made blatantly rude and offensive remarks about a campaign you're obviously uneducated about other than having seen the billboard, which has the website on there so you can educate yourself on what the campaign is. Perhaps it's a resourse you should have used if you were planning on making an argument against it, instead all you've done is illustrated how little you know about what you are talking about.
I agree with you that at a pitch meeting, hard questions would be asked and the organizer of this campaign would need to defend herself competently against them. I know she is up to that challenge. The reason you didn't get competent and "adult" responses to your comments was because they were not presented in such a manner. When you stick out your tongue at someone and go "You suck!" do you honestly expect them to respond by saying "I understaind your argument, however let me respond by laying out an outline of the points on which I disagree with your assessment"?
You're all acting like idiots. Everyone is allowed to have their own views. If someone likes "Charmed" and wants to try and get a spin-off, let them. Why put them down when they're trying to do something they believe in? It's their choice, and it'll be a good experience, and give them a real sense of accomplishment if they succeed.
On the other hand- so what if someone thinks it's a waste of time? They're not the show's writer, are they? Spend your time arguing your case with someone who matters, not someone who's expressing their opinion on something that rubs them the wrong way. Their opinion shouldn't matter to you- so ignore it! Just agree to disagree, people, and have your own damn opinion!
The way I see this response: late but better than never, right?
Do I like Charmed? Yes.
Do I support TheCharmedSons? Yes.
Do I think you're out of line? No. You have a point to some degree.
Now, to address my rebuttal.
First, I'd like to state that the reasons I like Charmed are obviously not the same as the reasons you watched the few episodes you did. You watched it for the SF/F aspect. I happened to watch an episode with my aunt and, while, attracted to the the SF/F aspect, it was the... what should I call it? Human? ... aspect of the story that hooked me. For example, I wanted to know whether or not Leo and Piper would ever get together. Call me a romantic. Call me a sucker for true love. I'm guilty on both accounts. There are other issues I can agree with, too. Both Prue/Phoebe and Piper/Paige had a great deal of tension in their early relationships. So did my older sister and I. Everything worked out okay for them and it worked out okay for my sister. Like I said to begin with, it wasn't the 'We've got the save the world again' aspect that hooked me so much as the day-to-day finding a balance in life aspect. The SF/F bit was just icing on the cake.
So I happen to love the show and I happen to want to know more about the characters. Do they have kids? Do the kids grow up well? Does Wyatt remain good, as has been hinted, or is there still a possibility that he'll be torn to the dark side? Or, feeling lesser than his big brother, might Chris become evil? What would life be like with cupid for a husband? Hm. All food for thought. That's why I support the idea of a spin-off. While I feel that the series finale did a very nice job of tying up most of the loose ends while still leaving room for the imagination, I'd still like to know more. It's how I am with any series (film, tv, book, etc.) that I find myself really drawn to.
Not to say I don't see where you're coming from. Obviously, Charmed was written for a female audience. I don't care if the lead actresses might attract men. Charmed was, bottom-line, a women kicking butt show aimed at women. No offense intended to you, of course, Kuno (tell the Black Rose I said 'Hi', by the way, Blue Thunder). And, frankly, I don't think the WB did Charmed much justice in the execution of the program and the only reason I think I enjoyed it so much was the chemistry between the majority of the leads and major guests. And while the idea of a missing sister might be a bit cliche, I do feel that Rose McGowan filled the shoes left by Shannon Doherty well and, while Doherty may have aggrivated me by not making guest appearances after Prue's death, I still love the character concept of Pruedence Halliwell. But I digress.
As for the billboard. I might have opted to place it in front of a company I thought might give the show a bit more room for creative growth, proper advertising, and possibly even decent special effects, etc. But I can't make that decision for the owners of TheCharmedSons and placing in anywhere has got to be better than puttering around on a board saying things like "OMG i mis charmed sooooo much. it was like a awesome show." Only way to change things is to take action after all, isn't it?
I think the final thing I have to say is this: please don't take all the responses you received here and use them to judge the IQ of the massive (and it is fairly massive) Charmed fan base. Or is fanbase one word? What I'm getting at here is that while some of us seem to have lost all sense of grammar, spelling, and intelligence, if you talk to others of us, you will find them still very much in use.
On to the conclusion and disclaimer. So, I do like Charmed, more for the concept and plot, although even I have to admit they lost me with the Avatar thing. I do support a spin-off because I'm one of those people who wants to know more about what happens to the characters ten years down the road and that sort of thing. I do think they could have approached positioning the board a little better, ie. in front of a company who might not drive a/the spin-off into the ground. I disappove of any idiots, no matter how good their intentions, who can't, or simply won't, adhere to the grammatical rules of English (foreigners exempt) and those who result to attempts at personal attacks and the grade school arguments of "You're mean!" (Use your words, for crying out loud.) I do believe you have some good points, especially when you pointed out that we won't get anywhere with a producer unless we can defend the concept and have someway of actually quelling their criticisms... hopefully with some semblance of intelligence. And, lastly, this post is just the opinion of two people. Yes, two, I happen to be very close to someone who I know for a fact feels exactly the same way. And, no, she's not my aunt. In other words, don't hold anything I say against any other members of any Charmed fan community. Although, based on some of the responses to your rant (which, as a rant, shouldn't be taken to extremes anyway) at least some of those aforementioned members would do well to pick up some of my habits. And lastly, really this time, I apologize for any spelling or grammatical errors you might have encountered in this post. Spelling's not my strongest point, I do my best, typos are a pain, and nobody's perfect.
Now let's all take a ride on the Love Train and just get along. Chugga chugga chugga. Toot toot!
Well isn't this interesting. I am not a loyal reader of yours nor am I part of this charmed son group.
As for your rant, I find it quite amusing. Just because you didn't care for Charmed doesn't mean there is something wrong with the people that do. You obviously enjoy space science fantasy shows...a lot...to the point where it could be considered...obsessive...but I don't think there is anything really wrong with you or that as long as it doesn't interfere with your day to day life.
Anyways, people like different things as long as you find it entertaining, then go you. Alot of people happen to find Charmed entertaining that is why it lasted for 8 years unlike firefly that lasted only 1 season. A group of people would like to see a spin off based in the future with the sons, I've watched charmed, I think that could possibly be a good idea or complete tat, only one way to find out. I do know though that it would definitely last as long as firefly did.
I don't really know how you can put down fans when you named yourself after a character from the never ending manga Ranma 1/2, which started in the 80s and should have ended a decade ago. You didn't even choose a good character. Kuno?! nobody likes Kuno. aye but like I say whatever floats your boat dude. If someone did this for something you really enjoyed you'd be singing a different tune.
Don't be a hater Kuno, don't be a hater!
Kudos to you CharmedSon people, you guys wanted something and instead of sitting on your butts thinking 'what if' you decided to do something, you organized a fanbase, raised money and sent a message to the show's producers. Don't mind Kuno here, he's just upset that nobody cared enough to do that for the shows that he enjoyed. It is just jealousy, and this is just free publicity.
Best of luck.
charmed spinoffs that do not feature the breasts of Alyssa Milano and/or her ass are stoopid
I really can't complain that a group of people like a TV show and want it to continue. Great, good for you. But paying good money for a billboard to get that point of view across? I meant that isn't the normally accepted way of doing things.
Surely you could write a treatment for the spin-off, approach the producers, etc. As in actually make an effort along the proper channels. I'm sure the idea behind the billboard was to convince people in the spelling corporation that you're to be taken seriously. So why did you fuck it up so badly, by not actually having a clue how to get a tv show on the air.
Or hell, why not just talk one of your rabid fans into tattoing an ad for charmed: sons onto their forehead, that should get some media attention. (plus if the show gets produced they'll have the ultimate proof that "they were into it before it was cool").
you asshole every one likes CHARMED!! if you don't your are a grown up man that child abuse girls !!
Two solid hours of Alyssa Milano in a mermaid outfit: televisions most shining moment! Other than that, the entire 8 seasons were a waste.
Wow, charmed fans are crazy.
At least admit the show you love is bad. I was an avid Buffy watcher, but I'll be the first admit that it was just a tv show and hardly that once we got into the fourth season. My mother watches charmed religiousely and the only reason I don't feel like slapping her is because she can laugh at herself and say "it's soooo baddd" I mean, honnestly- it's like they try to be bad to fufil a deepseated cheesy suck need that modern tv has.
Shame that people are hardcore about something like a charmed spin off, when we could be touting another Serenity movie. Now, there's something I'd trade all my autographed pictures of Juliet Landau for.
Hey guys, another Charmed fan here. 13 year old girls watch this show........ and I'm 28 my wife is 23, her friend is 27 my cousin is 29 so I do believe the age group of charmed fans exceed 13. The idea of The Charmed Sons would be amazing.
Its coming, get used to it! Not everyone has the same taste as yourself.
Read what Minx had said at 09:33 28-09-06 as these are wise words. Thankyou Minx
I hate charmed. It was s painfully stupid program for small minded morons. But then, that is my entirely subjective opinion and also the flaw in your argument. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and Charmed has as much value as any other program for some of the sad retards that populate this planet.
"all the money you spent on that billboard could have been spent to feed the homeless, cure Cystic Fibrosis, or bring back "Firefly.""
That is possibly the stupidest thing I have ever read. The time it took you to rant about a billboard you could have volunteered at a soup kitchen, saved a kitten up a tree, gosh-darn-it you could have saved the WORLD!
...Or you are grossly overestimating the cost of billboards.
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All I have to say is that you are a complete ass. Just because YOU don't like it, doesn't mean that others don't. If I put my effort into a horrible piece of nonsense that said crap about "Firefly" and how "Serenity" was a complete and utter waste of money, then how would you feel?
Tell me, why do you bother to post if you haven't read either the original blog, or the comments?
My point was NOT that I don't like "Charmed."
Try again.
I personally think that you should catch re-runs of Old Sci-fi stuff like Lost in Space.....then maybe you'll rethink your opinion on what you decide to bash.
You're right. "Lost in Space" was poor quality, therefore "Charmed" was not!
Wait... I don't get it.
Actually, the first season of LiS was pretty high quality. It plummeted after that -- when the producers decided to make it a kiddie show.
I love how 95% of the comments are from people who come to YOUR site and spew something along the lines of "You have no right to criticize my opinion you meany poo poo!"
uhm.. i'd just like to second the motion to get firefly back in syndication. that was a great show. Based on great movies :]
Kunochan has a very good point indeed...
I am a Charmed fan... and it was just about good at its best... This was however about 5 years ago so the early seasons... The show became even more poorer in quality a long time ago.
The idea of a spin-off is interesting but the subject of the Charmed sons isn't.
I don't particularly think that the show was well acted... most of them weren't believable.
All of the actors in the show were just eye candy... and the powers were added for effect... to make it all of 1% interesting.
The writing wasn't that good either.. I can only think of a handful of episodes that were actually good and that's out of over 100!!
Basically what i am trying to say is that a Charmed spin-off would not be a good idea.
Not with those actors.... not with the subject matter... No way no how...
Everyone is entitled to their opinions. Like when you said that the money for the billboard could have been used to feed the homeless, cure Cystic Fibrosis, or bring back "Firefly. Of course there are also people who would call Firefly 'a horrible show that couldn't even last one season'. In the same way there are people who loved charmed as much as you seemed to love Firefly. I, for one, personally hate the New Battlestar Galactica. It is a bad remake of the classic series.
The Charmed spin-off, Charmed Sons, is not trying to be charmed. You make is sould like they are lobboying for a ninth season of Charmed. But that is not true. It is trying to be much better. The fact is that people who stopped watching Charmed started watching it again just for season six. It is a proven fact that the episode 'Chris-crossed' was the highest viewed episode in a couple of seasons. People who had gone to hating Charmed came back because they loved Chris.
Over at charmedsons.com they are doing something that believe in and you are criticisim them for it. Don't you have something better to do with you time then beat down something someone believes in?
Still, any publicity is good publicity. Thanks for bring more attention to the cause.
Well there are some strong feelings out there. My personal opinnion is that Charmed is better than Buffey espesially in Buffey's later seasons. Charmed is not necessarily made as a full Si-Fi show. In fact if you new much of anything it is more Drama, Romance, and Action. Most people like Charmed because of the family aspect and the obsticals the sisters had to over come. Your right Charmed is a horible Si-Fi show that's why it was not designed for Si-Fi. That is also why it is not shown on the Si-Fi network.
I am not sure if a male version of Charmed will last as long as the original just because it is easier for women to pertray family aspects than men. It will be interesting to see how the spin-off goes but I definently think we need a spin off. I also think the original Charmed storyline should still continue.
Again I don't believe Charmed was baddly written, acted, art work, or that the special effects were bad. Art lyes in the eye of the beholder. I think it was better than the special effects in Buffey.
I think a bill board is a great way to advertise (marketing major speaking here) and I would rather she Charmed being advertised than someones half necked body on a bill board. Infact I would rather see a Charmed bill board than a beer or cigarette advertisement bill board. Talk about a waste of money and the beautiful sites being covered by those bill boards.
Long live Charmed, CSI, ect. As long as there are fans than there will always be support.
CHARMED DESERVES A CHARMED SPIN-OFF, YOU MAY NOT BE A FAN, BUT SOME PEOPLE ARE!!! GET USED TO IT PAL!!!
AND IF YOU WANT TO RANT A RAVE ABOUT SOMETHING, RANT AND RAVE ABOUT YOUR COMPLETE LACK OF TASTE IN TV, YOU COMPLETE TOSSER!!! GO TOSS YOURSELF OVER YOUR FIREFLY YOU DEMENTED PSYCOTIC ARSEHOLE!!!
ANOTHER THING, IF CHARMED WAS SOOOOOO RUBBISH, WHY THE HELL DID IT STAY ON TV FOR SOO LONG?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? WANKER!!!!
WOAH! Anonymous Charmed Fan, you don't have to be so hostile. Cool it will ya.
The person who started this Rant, is very much allowed to do so. Just because they don't agree with you doesn't mean you can insult them!
I can tell you are passionate about Charmed, but it's over with, done, finished...
And the Writers have basically covered everything in Charmed so what would there be in a spin-off? I'll tell you, Basically the same stuff you have already seen for the past 8 years. So there's really no need.
Actually there are alot of things left unfinished which it would be nice to find out the rest of the story as well. "The future of the charmed line" and how was the powers separated between the three sister's childeren. Season 7 left us with the Charmed Ones saying they will be free to raise the next generation. Season 8 left us with the final batter and seeing the childeren coming in the front door.
A spin-off should let us know how the charmed grandchildren will be taught magic and who will be the leader of the bunch helping with the fight of good vs evil.
Charmed was one of the best tv shows out there. I am 23 and I loved it I own seasons 1-6 on box set my mom loved it as well. So for you to say only 13 year olds liked it your wrong! It had everything it was funny,action pack and it showed a bond of sister-hood. I would love for a spin off!
Check out
charmed-net.de/en/index.asp and they have created a season 9 actor script. It's not on video but it is scripted sho you can imagine the actores acting it out. Have fun reading. I have already read up to episode 9.05. It is great. I don't like to read for fun just work but I have set some time aside to do so and I love it.
Enjoy!!!
Well.. that's not much then, just the future of thei'r line.. It's been done, we've seen Chris, know that Wyatt is gonna be good.. Not much to cover.
And anyway, the Show was meant to be about the Charmed Ones.. the Power of Three... the Sisters!
I am a Charmed fan like i've already said before and i don't think there should be a spin-off. Charmed got progressively worse... there's no need to put people through the mindless boredom any longer.
Bring back Buffy!!
what the hell are you talking about , charmed is one of the best shows ever , if it was so crappy why did it last 8 years , so just shut up instead of telling this crap
uno. the fuckin show is fuckin fake ya we know. but to some ppl it is an addiction, and it is real to THEM. they may have a wierd imagination. like JOEY. but still the show, is like totally awsome. so like you fukin sons of bitches stop saying SHIT!! fuck you culero bastardo.>!!
uno. the fuckin show is fuckin fake ya we know. but to some ppl it is an addiction, and it is real to THEM. they may have a wierd imagination. like JOEY. but still the show, is like totally awsome. so like you fukin sons of bitches stop saying SHIT!! fuck you culero bastardo.>!!
Charmed is a great show and you may not like it but fans do. I DON'T like your website but i bet that you like it!!!!!!!!!And yeah i support the fact that you think that money could go to better uses like those people in poor countries but your wrong in the fact that you are sad enough to sit and make this website when you could be doing better things to help those who are in need!!!!!!
Josh who has left comments said that he doesn't want a Charmed spinoff, why put people through the mindless boredom any longer. Well no offence but if you get bored and don't like it, no body is forcing you to sit down and watch it are they!!!!!!
your an ass,
Charmed was a great show
with great actors and actresses
you have no right judging
anything! wut tha hell you
watch on t.v.? the show was
about sisters findin there
way and with tha action
it was a kick ass show
so stf up!
You have a right to your opinion, as do the fans of a show and an idea they would like to see happen. You exercise your American right, we'll express ours. Blessed be.
Josh you a stupid and jelous ho i loved and still love charmed it needs a spin off you bitch you just need to go eat some fish i have watched from season 4-8 and not missed a episode so you need to quit hating you stupid pedophile i will leave and say that The HALLIWELL name will be back okayyy
Andy you will be vanquished by the power of three you motherfucking bitch with yo stanky ass pussy go douche
there are an unbelivable amount of charmed fans out there i'm i'am sorry but anyone saying charmed is bad need to sit down and watch it.
As the years went on the seris got better then it was just ended the amount of viewers for a charmed spin off would be hundreds there should be one made with the sons ..... rock on charmed
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I say to hell with the comic. It does nothing to improve charmed image. Also who are you to tell people what they can or cant do with their money. As a guy and fan of charmed i would also at least like to see a movie someday. Tie up the loose end at least.
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