Tired Sci-Fi Tropes That Must Be Retired!
This is a two-part post. Read Part 2 when you're done!
If you read or watch a lot of science fiction, you may begin to notice certain themes that constantly crop up. Some of these, like the ridiculously sexy female scientist/alien/robot/whatever, detract from the realism -- but no one is complaining about it. Not me, anyway. Hooray for Jeri Ryan!
But some of these overused cliches really need to go. I’ve collected a long list, which I have split into two parts. In no particular order, here are…
Tired Sci-Fi Tropes That Must Be Retired!
The Pinocchio Syndrome
This is the non-human – robot, artificial intelligence, alien, alien-hybrid, etc. -- that wants to be more human. This gives the lazy sci-fi writer an opportunity to explore that age-old chestnut, “what does it mean to be human?”“Star Trek” has been the worst offender in the overuse of the Pinocchio Syndrome, giving us Mr. Data (the robot who wants to be human), The Doctor (the A.I. who wants to be human), Mr. Spock (the alien hybrid who wants to be human), Constable Odo (the alien raised by humans who wants to be human) and even Seven of Nine, the human (raised by aliens) who wants to be human.
And let’s not forget Roy Batty in “Blade Runner,” Andy the Android in “Bicentennial Man,” Boomer (and perhaps all the Cylons) from the new “Battlestar Galactica,” Annalee in “Alien Resurrection,” and the T-800 in “Terminator 2: Judgment Day.”
And that’s just robots. For aliens, there’s the Starman from “Starman,” Kal-El from “Superman,” and all the characters from “Third Rock From the Sun.”
How about a robot who’s happy to be a robot, like Gigolo Joe in “A.I.,” or Bender from “Futurama?” I’d like to see more of that. And what about Valentine Michael Smith from “Stranger in a Strange Land,” the human (raised by Martians) who wanted to be more Martian? Or Agent Smith from the “Matrix” films, who was perfectly happy to exist only as a program and couldn’t stand the stench of humanity? Then there’s Marvin the Paranoid Android from “The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy,” who desired to become less human, if he could. Or at least less miserable.
I’m guessing that in this incomprehensibly vast universe, there are many things to be that are more interesting than “human.” Let’s give it a rest.
Ignoring the Butterfly Effect
There are people who don’t like chaos theory, but that’s just because they don’t understand it.If Marty McFly goes back in time and prevents his parents from meeting, there is no way to fix it. Even if Marty gets George and Lorraine to kiss at the Enchantment Under the Sea Dance, and they get married, and buy the house in the Lyon Estates, and have three kids, and buy a 4x4, Marty and his siblings will still never be born. The sperm that makes Marty will never be joined with the egg that makes Marty – too many details have changed. No Universal Cosmic Force will ensure that Marty is born, and the McFlys will give birth to a different son, perhaps one with the good sense not to hang out with crazy old inventors.
If humanity founds the evil Terran Empire instead of the good and pacifistic United Federation of Planets, there would be no starship Enterprise, no evil Kirk, no goateed Spock. These people would never have been born, and a different Imperial starship with different officers would have encountered the Kirk, Spock et al from our universe (except that the two ships would not be conducting identical transports on the same spot at the same time). Contingency requires that as the histories of the “mirror” universes diverged, they would become increasingly different. People in one universe would not have “counterparts” in the other. It might be a cool plot device to see how beloved characters would behave if they were evil, but it makes no sense and it’s old and tired. Better that Kirk is split into good and evil halves by the transporter.
If you have a time travel story, feel free to experiment with immutable timelines (Michael Crichton’s awful “Timeline” springs to mind). But any change in a timeline has to produce universal change over time. “Fate” has no place in sci-fi.
The Wish-fulfilling Alien
What’s the name of that movie where a spaceship encounters an alien entity that grants the protagonists anything they want or desire, thereby demonstrating the dangers of getting what you wish for?Oh yeah, it was “Forbidden Planet” (1956). And (“Solaris” (1972). And “Event Horizon” (1997) , “Sphere” (1998), and the other “Solaris” (2002). Then there are all the “Star Trek” episodes, most notably “Shore Leave.”
If we could have anything we wished for, we would have nothing to live for. Or it would be too much power. Yeah, we get it.
Humanoid Aliens
There are two reasons to make your space aliens humanoid. The first, common to both dramatic productions and literary fiction, is to make alien characters understandable and relatable. Some stories even have thoroughly alien characters transform themselves into humanoids, or create humanoid proxies, for the sake of communication (think the Tymbrimi from David Brin’s Uplift Universe, or the Starman in “Starman”).The second reason, a plague upon film and TV sci-fi, is financial. It’s a lot cheaper to create a Bajoran by placing a lump of putty on the bridge of an actor’s nose, than it is to go with CGI or puppet-based aliens. Some TV aliens are less “alien” than perfectly real human beings with deformities. “Star Trek” didn’t invent the cheap-and-lazy alien, but it certainly perfected it.
I don’t have the space here to go into the reasons why an alien life form, even an intelligent one, is unlikely to be an upright bipedal, bilaterally symmetrical, four-limbed, endoskeletal, pentadactyl, binocular and binaural chordate.
Anyway, it’s lazy, it’s done to death, and we have cheap CGI now.
On a side note, if an alien can reproduce human speech, is mentally capable of doing so, and bothers to learn English, it’s going to speak in Received Pronunciation, aka the King’s English. Why would an alien learn a provincial dialect like American English? They’d speak it correctly. All aliens should sound like Hugh Grant.
Grey Aliens
Done, done, and done. Grey aliens were cool in 1977. By the end of the credits roll in “Close Encounters of the Third Kind,” they were over. Whitley Strieber needs to make up some original shit. Move on.Gigeroid Aliens
This is the single most overused visual concept in all of science fiction; more played-out than alien grays, saucer-shaped UFOs, and office-building-style spaceship interiors combined. Aliens are about as likely to look like giant, acid-spewing, face-hugging, vaguely humanoid black cockroaches as they are to look like a TOS Klingon with the blackface and the bandito moustache.
When H.R. Giger’s “xenomorph” debuted in 1979’s “Alien,” it was absolutely brilliant, and maybe the scariest thing anyone had ever seen or imagined ever. And of course, the “Alien” sequels had every reason to repeat and improve on the same design. (Not that Giger saw a dime for it.)But I remember when Marvel’s “The Uncanny X-Men” introduced The Brood, and even as a teenager I thought, “Oh come on – can’t you guys be original?” Since then about one gazillion TV shows, movies, comic books and novels have ripped off the xenomorph alien. Giger even ripped himself off in “Species.”
Enough already. If you can’t be original (and there are plenty of underused alien concepts out there – get a copy of “Barlowe’s Guide to Extraterrestrials”), then just use Ewoks. Imagine a cute little teddy bear bursting out of someone’s chest.
Vertical Spacecraft
There’s no up or down when you’re in free fall. No north or south, either. All directions are arbitrary. Objects don’t have a top or bottom unless you stamp “This End Up” on one of the sides.Unless a spacecraft is designed to enter an atmosphere and land, there is no reason for it to have a top and bottom. It should be designed functionally, to take into account acceleration, or free fall, or whatever relativistic situations the crew will find themselves in. (And if there’s no crew, all bets are off.)
There are two reasons sci-fi spacecraft are often portrayed as flying office buildings, with a top, a bottom, elevators, and unnecessary bottomless pits down which Darth Vader can throw the Emperor. The first is financial; TV shows and movies can’t or won’t spend the money to portray space travel accurately. (Props to those that do, like “2001: A Space Odyssey” and… um… that’s it.)
The second reason is what I call “The Nautical Paradigm.” Space travel is represented as an allegorical equivalent to ocean travel. As with so many other things, “Star Trek” stretched this idea as far as it would go, to the point of presenting space travel and space combat as taking place on a 2-dimensional plane, as on the ocean’s surface. The movie “Star Trek II: The Wrath of Kahn” even turned this trope into a critical plot point.
Vertical spacecraft always have universal Earth-like gravity. This is usually explained as “artificial gravity,” a fun idea with absolutely no scientific basis whatsoever. (No, gravitons do NOT work that way.) This is often coupled with Trek-style “inertial dampeners” that prevent the ship’s inhabitants from being flattened into goo against the hull, but inexplicably do not prevent them from being thrown about, or injured, or from falling to their deaths down unnecessary bottomless pits.
As science and technology progress, manned space flight becomes less likely, rather than more; the future of space exploration, for better or worse, belongs to the robots. But if we’re going to present images of biological humans exploring the stars, let’s try to do it marginally realistically. If you want “gravity,” at least spin the ship, or have it accelerating at one gee. And please, design spaceships like spaceships, and not like clipper ships or oil derricks.
Slow-Mo in Zero GeeGod, this pisses me off. Things do not happen more slowly in zero gravity or microgravity. How do we know this? First, there is no basis for it in physical law. Second, there’s tons of video out there of real astronauts in real microgravity. Unless you slow down the film, they’re moving at normal speed.
In fact, sometimes things move a bit faster in microgravity. This is because they don’t weigh anything, and aren’t rubbing against the ground. Of course, objects without weight still have mass, and it requires energy to get them going and to slow them down again. So motion in microgravity is different from motion at the Earth’s surface. But not slower.
A person who is unaccustomed to low or zero-gee might move more cautiously until they got the hang of it. One may freely assume that trained astronauts are not such people.
Remember the slow-mo free-fall battle on the underside of the hull in “Star Trek: First Contact?” It made me want to tear my hair out. (And does the Enterprise’s artificial gravity field stop right at the hull? Really? How does that work? And why not extend it?)
Now be sure to read ... Part 2!
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188 Comments:
Please go outside. There be a world out there.
Something that's always bugged me about time travel movies (brushing aside the paralell timeline theories) is the "let's hurry up and stop this from happening" approach. You have a fracking TIME machine, how about you take your time and make sure you have a decent plan. Then take your TIME MACHINE and go fix the problem instead of treating it like this place in time is just another place where things are happening while you're gone.
Jeez, dude. Ever hear of suspension of disbelief? I'm terribly sorry that in episode 37 of Star Trek in the episode "Captain Kirk breakdances with the Romulans", Captain Kirk was wearing the inappropriate rank insignia for someone of his stature, and I'm sorry that the error turned your world upside down, but most people don't care and can watch a movie for what it is: entertainment.
But...............?
I have to cut him a break, because some of this shit has bugged me in the past. Not enough to put it into an elaborate post on a blog, but briefly.
First of all, great list! Covered a few of my pet peeves as a SF fan.
Second, you may wish to expand the "Vertical Spaceship" section to include "Horizontal Spacecraft Formations". Not as common a problem - Babylon 5, for an example, occasionally got this one right, but it's a constant feature of the Star Trek series. I'm referring to when you see a group of spacecraft all oriented on the same horizontal plane. Sometimes it's a whole fleet.
Also could expand this to include "Atmospheric Physics in Vacuum". CGI guys need to get their heads out of WW2, and realize that there is no need to bank when turning in space. Again, props to Babylon 5 for having fighters using maneuvre thrusters to spin in place instead of going through wide banking turns.
Well written, well reasoned and rather funny. I'm not a SF geek, but I enjoy the genre and am willing to suspend disbelief.
That said, I would like to see the genre move towards more intellectualy rigorous standards.
The kid wrote a really good article. Oh, but you should preopare for some flamage cause you got linked to FARKS mainpage!
Congrats!
actually i found the article to be very interesting, well researched, and certainly poignant. and i'm a normal human being. great job!
i agree with everything you've said. By keeping some of these realities of space travel in mind, some original, creative, yet easier to swallow stories may result
Not the point he is trying to make.
These ideas are ancient and overdone. Any regular school kid can come up with something new soplease for the love of god, if you have that much money to make a new tv/movie/whatever then hire someone who can write with some style and originality.
Find a girl dude.
Funny how you offer no alternative look to aliens in your critique of the humanoid/cockroach variations. You could say that ALL alien variations have been done at one time or another and the argument would stick. Other than that, you have some valid gripes.
move our of your parents' basement, too.
UM, did you ever WATCH star trek? SPOCK NEVER WANTED TO BE HUMAN BUT ALWAYS WANTED TO BE MORE VULCAN AND LESS HUMAN!!!!Idiots!
As a side-note to your point about vertical ships, it should be noted that Joss Whedon designed the Alliance cruisers in Firefly to be just that: as awkwardly vertical looking as possible to allude to the stark industrial design of the emotionless Alliance. Basically a bureaucratic office building in space.
Good article. Some of this stuff has bugged me for years, glad someone took the time to write it out.
Hope you put something about how some shows refuse to use avalible technology. My biggest irk being, why the heck didn't anyone just shoot the borg with a machine gun earlier?
Re: Butterfly Effect
You'll need to pull this one from your list. There are many different views on how time travel 'works' and as there's no such thing as 'real' time travel, trying to apply your personal standard is pointless.
The BttF time paradigm is clearly explained in the movie, especially in #2. That's their view, their rules. You can't try to add your own.
It's the same with your take on artificial gravity. Unfortunately gravitons, like string theory, is little more than mental masturbation by guys trying to find a reason for universities to give them a fellowship.
You tell me how gravity works. Oh. You can't. Because NOBODY KNOWS. It's all very broad speculation which produce hypothesis that are nearly impossible to test. So until we find out what really makes gravity work (gravitons... what a joke concept) you can't bitch that someone is doing it wrong. There is no wrong.
Not sure how anyone in "Event Horizon" got their biggest wishes and desires fulfilled. Unless of course your greatest desires are hallucinating and being mutilated. As I recall one character did see her wheelchair bound son walking in a vision (which ultimately killed her) but it's a stretch to call that having her wishes fulfilled.
Congratulations. You are smarter than me and put all lesser mortals like myself to shame with your god like knowledge. How dare those entertainers defy the laws of physics! How dare they use their imaginations to advance the plot in an interesting fashion! Thanks to your post, I will now boycott these simpletons who think that they are above physics just because they have a sweet CGI sequence! From now on, it's just documentaries and porno for me, no more of these blatant lies!
Honestly, people like you shouldn't even watch Sci-Fi. All of these old standards are that way because they're popular - i.e. they work at carrying an audience along and provide a consistently entertaining package for the mass audience. There are plenty of sci-fi novels out there that are as hardcore as you'd like - but you know what? Fiction isn't reality and people LIKE fiction. They like stuff to be fantastical and not make sense. If it was sensible, it would be real and therefore quickly uninteresting.
Oh, and about the vertical spacecraft thing: why not make them vertically oriented? Simply to provide points of reference for human observers who are used to such things, it's not a bad idea. Obviously in space our designers could take advantage of it and design features accordingly but heck, even the spacecraft in 2001 had an up and a down, inside and out. And the slo-mo zero-g thing? If you have a better idea about how to represent zero-g to an earth audience, I'd like to see it - it's a form of pantomime - a distraction - and it works.
There is a reason for small space craft like fighters to bank when turning. It keeps the pilot comfortable, by pressing them in the "right" direction (i.e., toward their butt). It doesn't mean you have to do it, just that a pilot might do it when there's not a good reason not to.
I don't understand.... why on earth whould alien's want to sound like idiots... aka British?
I doubt many aliens are gonna come to earth and go around saying "'ELLO MOI LUV! THERE'S A TEA COZY ON ME BUM!!!"
I don't buy it.
"if an alien can reproduce human speech, is mentally capable of doing so, and bothers to learn English, it’s going to speak in Received Pronunciation, aka the King’s English. Why would an alien learn a provincial dialect like American English?"
I'm sorry, dude, but it's the King's English that's provincial. The world has moved on to Standard American (English). Deal with it.
someone forgot about the whole fiction part of science fiction....
reminds me of a Tripod song there was a real girl in the comic shop!
is it just by chance that this blog gets highlighted/ linked to from another geek site? fark...
trekies or Drew/ fark...not sure which is worse...
Relax people. The only true sci-fi nowadays is the pulp fiction from the 40s, 50s, and 60s.
These days you can throw any jackass into a monster suit and you're c grade movie will find air time on the sci-fi channel.
True speculative fiction is going the way of the dodo to make room for movies like "sasquatch" and "chupacabra" etc...
Turn off the tv and read some
Jack Holbrook Vance and learn what true sci-fi is all about.
great article ....
about the pinochio syndrome...i want to be more robot
think of the possib.....
HOLY SHIT THAT WOULD BE GREAT !
As has been pointed out, you've been linked by FARK and, clearly, the frothing morons are already queueing up to accuse you of living in your parents' basement, not having a life, not having a girlfriend, or missing out on some insane point of minutae that clearly everyone should know and you're a dunce for not getting it right OMGWTF!!1!
In truth, you shouldn't hold it against them. Critical thinking isn't really in vogue on the Internet, and most people won't understand it, or will miss the point.
Me, I'm right there with you. There's a lot of sci-fi crap that can and should be swept away to make room for something else (which may be crap as well, but at least it would be different). And "shut up and enjoy it, it's a movie", is no argument at all. Imagine if they could get the goddamn science right AND make a good movie at the same time. It's not like the two are mutually exclusive.
You knocked Star Trek quite a bit, but keep in mind that Trek was one of the only sci-fi shows that made real attempts to address some of the quandrys that were brought up instead of just ignoring them ala Star Wars. Most of the theories that abound Star Trek have a basis in actual science as well.
A couple other things. In terms of vertical ships, I think the idea is that there is no gravity in space, hence you can build a ship to look however the hell you want with no regard to aerodynamics. I dont see why a big blocky ship would necesarilly be less efficient than one shaped like a rocket.
The one thing that DID piss me off about Star Trek is that whenever the Enterprise would come across another ship in space, they would both be right side up and on the same vertical plane. Of course since there is no up or down in space, wouldnt it be reasonable to assume that when these two ships met up, one would be 'upside down' in relation to the other - or at least at an askew angle?
Buttermilk biscuits, indeed. The muse of breakfast. The inspiration that causes jellies to drip and margarines to run. To where is anyone's guess, for the options are limited to the eggs and the gullet, and yet you will not find them running there. The plate is the realm of the egg, who plays host to various sausages and bacons, Canadian or otherwise, and the vast array of potatoes that make their own sordid way to the breakfast table. But it is the egg that stays the course. The potato, in all its informality, can hope only for tangential companionship to the egg, but it is the meat with whom the egg slumbers. Such is the way of our sensual world. But the buttermilk biscuit, in its heady rise, can surpass the egg in stature, its sillouette streamlined against the pallette for inclusion in other meals, such as the venerable dinner. Possibly brunch, although brunch is generally regarded as the rich uncle of breakfast, and thus is primarily good for entertaining guests in the foyer and telling hilarious stories in a voice that is two notches too loud for the room. You will find the buttermilk biscuit there, in the foyer, laughing, but you will also find it, hours later, seated at the right hand of the filet mignon or the king crab. I suppose in the case of the latter, it would be seated at the right claw (and come to think of it, the filet has no hands at all). It is the subverter of breakfast convention, this biscuit. It is the mime at the window. It is the first-class upgrade on the long flight from LAX to Brisbane. It is the kind hand that massages the throat before giving the euphoric squeeze. It is karma baked up in 12 minutes. It is the wheel. And it spins at the speed of delicious.
Parellel universes/ divergent timelines defense:
owing to the butterfly effect, how many different possibilities are there?
infinite, as far as any human computation is concerned.
So what are the chances of Spock being the same person plus a goatee and some evil-dude tendencies?
The same chances as Spock being a vulcan breakbeat DJ or a pop sensation. The same chances that Spock doesn't exist at ALL in a parellel universe.
The point is, it's easier to use the same actor when you're trying to produce a TELEVISION SERIES. What did you want old Gene to do? Create a new set and hire all different actors for A SINGLE EPISODE?
Damn, man. Think in terms of production costs. If you had attacked books instead, your assault would have been far better off.
"Remember the slow-mo free-fall battle on the underside of the hull in “Star Trek: First Contact?” It made me want to tear my hair out. (And does the Enterprise’s artificial gravity field stop right at the hull? Really? How does that work? And why not extend it?)"
Actually, it was not a free-fall artificial gravity battle. They were wearing anti-gravity boots which were shown being "engaged" once or twice during that sequence.
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A tad on the preachy side, but not too bad. Of course, a blogger pretending to be an anime character doesn't have much business telling other people how to write fiction.
A few things missed, or maybe still to come:
Sound in space. It doesn't exist. Nuff said.
Alien monocultures. Why is it Earth has hundreds of cultures but almost every alien race portrayed has but a single one?
"Special" planets. Desert worlds, forest worlds, etc. The idea of an entire world containing a single or a couple of biomes is kind of ridiculous.
Ignoring the Butterfly Effect
I recommend reading about the Novikov self-consistency principle
bullshit bill said:
"I'm sorry, dude, but it's the King's English that's provincial. The world has moved on to Standard American (English). Deal with it."
erm, right. has it? I think you must mean International English.
As opposed to poorly spelled trow-back from the days of warring dictionary releases... do your history, do yourself a favour... stop talking absolute bollox.
and since we are talking about lame stuff...
http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_publi.htm - scary.
Erm, and yes sci-fi is really hard to believe sometimes as many tenets of known science are indeed bent / broken... Ah well, Chances are we actually have 50% of our scientific beliefs wrong anyhow...
Like William Shatner said in an SNL skit "It's just a TV show!"
I think a Sci Fi blunder that should be added is to stop with all the trilogies. Why does everything have to come in 3's?
Along those lines, if you make a successfull trilogy, STOP!! You'll ruin the franchise *cough* Lucas *cough*
No Daddy, I don't want to go into the Big Blue Room...
Dude-
When you get out of your folk's basement and build a better mouse trap that is so awesome that it clicks with everyone on Earth, I take back this sarcastic comment-
Until then stop the adding fuel to the firey stigma of being a fan of Sci-fi, go read some Shakespeare, or Greek drama and you'll see some of the same ideas
I am posting Anonymous because I do not have time to register, but you can call me YoJoe-a-go-go
good luck finding a mate!
The world hasn't moved to standard american. There is no world standard, just a lot of dialects that many people understand.
Its always funny to listen to Americans and British laughing at peoples accents, assuming that theirs is completely normal.
As for all you get a life commentators, whats your problem? A life is a life. Without people's speculations and daydreams we would get no where.
I can imagine our early ancestors looking at Ug and telling him to stop trying to roll that circular stone and come back to the fire and get a life.
The author Alystair (spelling??) Reynolds tackles many of the problems discussed, and it opens up new arks of story telling.
If more mainstream themes were told with such blatent disregard for common sense then more people might notice.
We could have a scene with someone driving to work in thier car, and everytime they turned the wheel the car pivots on the spot directly without turning in an arc.
Actually, much of the reason for making the facial features of alien characters very human is less financial than it is dramatic. An actor simply can't convey much emotion through layers and layers of prosthetics and makeup. Not to mention the hours and hours of makeup or costume application... it isn't laziness, it's sheer practicality. Sorry, but we have to make do with the techniques and equipment we have when making television and such. To you, "reality" would dictate far less human aliens. To a television producer, reality dictates that they stay within a budget, produce their episodes on time, and not smother their actors under enough costume and makeup to make them want to move on to another show. Welcome to the real world...
"Sound in space. It doesn't exist. Nuff said."
Add to that explosions in space. No oxygen = no fire = no fireball. Some will come up with an argument to dispute this. They will be wrong.
Some of these observations are good, and I can understand the lampooning for humorous effect.
However, what is the point of watching science FICTION and complaining that it isn't realistic?
Scary...to think this ever got published.
Go to the mall, check out a girl
Get a life.
Don't care for the average sci-fi show much myself simply because it is usually so rididiculous (like the "aliens" that are humans with putty on their faces- just looks stupid). I consider myself an educated person, but science is not my forte. Maybe if some of these shows weren't so ridiculous they would appeal to people such as myself who don't know or understand all the rules of science, but can still spot something ridiculous when they see it.
The thing about SciFi is, IT'S SCIENCE fiction, not fantasy.
You want to bring your readers or viewers into your reality, get your plotholes fixed, and don't assume a low level of intelligence, because WE'RE GEEKS! WE SPOT THIS SH-- FROM A MILE AWAY!
for handling time travel appropriately, I recommend "Primer", if you assume a non-fixed timeline.
One thing I hate about time travel movies is they never take space into consideration.
For example, in BTTF, Hill Valley in 1955 is not in the same spacial location as Hill Valley in 1985 or 2015. The Earth revolves, and the solar system moves through space. Doc and Marty should have appeared in the space Earth occupied...
When it's lazy, it IS annoying and it makes the suspension of disbelief harder. They have to WORK to pull you into their world. You don't just walk in and say, oh, okay, I'm suspending. It's no different than the Red-Shirt phenomenon. It becomes a cliche if it's done over and over and over, and so at the point it does you have to find a new way to deal with it -- even turning it on its head as in the Star Trek II reference to Khan's two-dimensional thinking. Don't shoot the messenger, here. If these things don't bother you, fine, enjoy it, but as the original sci-fi fans get older they want to see something NEW so let's have it. Even the Star Trek engery beings looked a LITTLE different. Write into the plot why aliens look like humans, at least, something to help people. The reliance on special effects is no substitute for a plot.
To all you people who deride the author for the article: There is a reason it is called Science Fiction, rather than Fantasy or regular Fiction.
To your comments about getting a life, you have so little a life thatr you read this, and felt the need to comment. Also, you likely have even more useless interests, such as sports .
Sometimes I'm ashamed of being a Farker... but I am never ashamed of being a Sci-Fi fan. You wrote a great article, I agree with many of your points. However, gravitrons do not actually exist. They were invented to explain the unexplainable - gravity. No one knows why gravity exists, only that it does and it acts pretty uniform at our area of magnitude. However, it doesn't seem to work in large scale, so we've invented dark matter, and it doesn't seem to work at the atomic level so we invented...uh i forget what they're called but 2 extra forces that "explain" the discrepencies (it's been a while since I took physics).
Also, the previous comments are correct about time travel, which just like gravitrons is purely speculative.
Also, what annoys me is that you always hear sound in space. Only a few TV shows and movies have silence in space, namely Firefly/Serenity and Apollo 13 that I can think of. There's no matter in space for sound waves (and shock waves) to travel through. The only way explosions can affect a nearby ship is if there is shrapnel/jets of debris (which is usually the case but not always).
Umm, what else? Oh there was a comment about the only real sci-fi coming from the 40s/50s/60s... yeah ok there were more good movies on average, but there is still some great sci-fi out there from the '90s and '00s: Battlestar Galactica, Cowboy Bebop, Firefly/Serenity, Pitch Black, The Fifth Element, Galaxy Quest, Independence Day, some episodes of Stargate SG-1/Atlantis, MIB, Muppets From Space (screw you if you don't like the Muppets), arguably all the superhero movies, must I go on? And let's not forget the 80's classics, like BttF, Tron, Spaceballs, the Mad Max movies, etc. There's plenty of good Sci-Fi out there, its just harder to find these days.
I thought it was magnetic boots on the first contact battle thing. They focused on the boots going "clunk clunk" as if to suggest that.
Oh i just checked. Turns out i AM a big geek.
Love the list. How did you like the space ship in "Dark City"??
Dear geek bashers: There is a difference between someone who points out the science flash in a Science Fiction show, and someone who pints out plot holes and innacuracies in any show.
*science flaws
Someone's not ever getting laid.
Ha and oh yeah, i love how ships always approach each other oriented the same way.
DO they call each other in advance and arrange this?
"Yeah, Cardassian vessel, this is USS Monkeypaw. I know we are diplomatically not speaking right now, but we're going to be passing each other in 6 hours, and we still don't know which way you are facing. Pleae advise."
You're forgetting that the OTHER critical component in sci-fi is the fiction part. Fiction has rules to follow. Those rules are almost always going to trump the science, just as the practical considerations and visual impact would trump the science. The science is in service to the story, not the other way round!
As for what language aliens would choose to speak, and which dialect, they would probably pick one based on media representations and likelihood of encountering someone who can understand it. In which case *if* they picked a British pronunciation, they'd do so aware that in most media (by volume if not necessarily by quality), a proper British accent often signifies a villain!
Came over from Fark. Brilliant! Absolutely brilliant! You're obviously an uber geek for noticing this stuff. You've raised a lot of good points and questions for us to ponder.
Great article! I can forgive the original Star Trek, if the show asked us to suspend our disbelief in order to make a thought-provoking story possible. As for the endless spin-offs and movies that made all of those concessions to story-telling ever more elaborate and ever more incredible, I'm less forgiving.
And that snipe at American English made me chuckle. In ancient times, even Italy at last become only another province in the Roman Empire. I'd say the same of England today in the English-speaking world. It will always, of course, be the first home of English, though it's today just one of several, and not the largest.
I only have two quibbles with the points you made. Firstly, Roy Batty did not want to be human, per se; he just didn't want to die in four years' time. Second, Star Trek: TNG explained--in a totally lame, flaccid way--why all the aliens look like humans wearing prosthetic foreheads on their real heads. I forget the episode title or number (more of a DS9 man, myself), but the basic premise was that all intelligent life sprung from a single species, who just happened to be bilaterally symmetrical bipedal humanoids. Lame? Oh yes, indeedy! But at least they put in some sort of effort to justify their budget restrictions. Fun article!
Video I've seen of experienced astronauts in zero gravity certainly does show them moving more slowly and cautiously than people do on earth.
If you make people do things in space that involve fast, jerky movements, there is a much higher potential for accidents. Let alone the fact that in expensive government installations, you aren't supposed to make any fast moves.
Also, I let things fly around in my workshop all the time, because everything always ends up ON THE GROUND. But in space, when you drop things, no one can find them!
Dont forget the half human-half alien baby that was just born and just might hold the key for peace between the two species!
DONE-TO-DEATH.
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I have always been a firm believer in the idea that if you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.
Along that line, Until you can do it better, maybe you should stop whining.
Also, How exactly does an Anime fan have room to bitch about TV being "unrealistic"?
Sorry you're taking so much crap from these people. It's far easier to criticize than to come up with a good idea.
I like your list and agree. However, time travel within one's own life time would not affect their being born and thus could be possible...?
Darth Vader threw the emperor towards the CENTER down that shaft... it was a goddamn sphere you nimrod
One of the more aggravating things are the space battles a la Starship Troopers or Star Wars where there's a million ships in a ridiculously small volume of space.
No oxygen = no fire = no fireball = no Sun = no stars = no science fiction...
It's really not about suspension of disbelief. Most sci-fi fans realize that we're watching fiction, it's just tiring seeing the same plot devices used over and over and over.
And Star Trek was a huge abuser of the overused plot device. At least all but the old series used the transporter, time travel, Wesley, Data, Odo, nanobots, etc. to save the day/ship/universe. Hardly ever any focus put on character development or story arc development. Just establish an antagonist, add in a silly side plot, defeat antagonist with well-worn plot device in the final 5 minutes. It was a great formula, but it was a formula, very little thought put into many of the stories.
There is nothing more dreadful than imagination without taste.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
This article is dead on. To the people who say "ITS FICTION DOOD", I would reference the above quote. If you're going to make a sci-fi movie, where you can exercise practically unlimited imagination, it would hurt to be a little bit creative while obeying the tentants of practicality. See: Neuromancer / Hyperion.
You are SOOOOOOO right, everything listed here is bothering me as well. That and those explosions and sounds in space (argh), but i guess you gonna put that in part 2 ? :)
Good list of clique's,
But it got me thinking about time travel and infinite dimensions of probability that exist, plus the innability to change any event in the past that would effect the place you travel back to.
So basically Jimmy goes back and time and kills his Grandfather. Jimmy goes back to his time and finds his Grandfathather is still alive.
Why?
Jimmy wasn't visiting his own dimension but just the one next door. A very similiar one (he didn't sneeze at eight or something) but none-the-less a different one.
So in the other dimension Jimmy no longer exists because he killed his Grandfather but his Grandfather is still alive in this Dimension of Time.
It preserves a complete lack of paradox and makes some (out there) sense.
Just my two cents.
Humanoid aliens are essential for two reasons.
1. Nothing interests people quite as much as other people.
2. Actors are humans and do their best acting with human parts.
CGI can make a cool looking alien, but if it doesn't emote in a fashion comprehensible to people its not visually compelling. A lot of the human visual system is hardwired to interpreting the facial expressions and movements of people. If you can't tap into that, people won't be visually intrigued.
Same exact reason why almost every toy that isn't a tool has a face.
Completely alien aliens make sense from a realism perspective, but you can only get away with that in a book.
for all those claiming spock wanted to be less human.. That was only his cover. When psychic aliens/physical trauma/girls probe deeper, it is ALWAYS revealed he is only deeply repressing his secret desire to relate to his human side. Duh. Freudian psychology 101. Any of you geeks read anything other than sci-fi?
This one isn't so much a sci-fi wide phenomena, but I'd have to say the most wretched plot-device ever foisted on a "sci-fi" audience has to be the holodeck.
Not that I wouldn't enjoy the hell out it if I had one, but as a plot device in Star Trek it always irked me. It basically said to me that the writers were tired of writing for that universe and needed a break.
I think you're right about there not being enough thoughtful science fiction, but back in the day, neither the books nor the movies/tv shows were ever known for their literary quality, although we could hope for some good science, once in a while. I've often wondered how authors think we could ever understand aliens, when I can't understand my kids half the time!
One thing I want to mention about banking ships in, especially, Star Trek. Where this seems a lot like garbage, when you're moving and you need to change direction, it's a lot harder to turn, stop, go than it is to simulate a plane turn. In space it would be using your momentum to your advantage
That said, banking would be necessary to not toss everyone's butt into walls and bulkheads. Remember the concept of centripital (or centrefugal, I've heard that both do and don't exist by physicists) force would be easier to handle if you were always falling towards your feet as compared to falling towards your shoulders.
If anything they should bank 90 degrees and turn "up" rather than the 45 degree stuff you see.
Just putting a "reality" perspective on it.
Although very well put together, you are negating the point of SciFi, it's not about what is entirely possible through known science, or even really about science at all. The Science in SciFi is just a device the authors use to tell stories. The Science is there to spark imagination, and who knows just this week they discovered a particle that occilates between matter and anti-mater 70 times a second - or something like that - and promises to re-write what we know of particle physics. The point of SciFi is not to be accurate to our current understanding of the laws of physics, but to show what might happen when (if) humanity has learned how backwards we all were back in the early 21st century. So the authors and effects guys took some licence in order to make filming possible while actually on Earth, if you are getting hung up on that little point then maybe you don't have the imagination requred for really enjoying SciFi. And maybe the reason so many shows use non-humans to explore humanity is because even we don't really know what it means to be human. The point of the show is not to be realistic but to explore human nature by hypothesizing about what could change for us in a thousand years and what might stay the same.
wow... you are a sad, pathetic individual.
there are things in the mathematics of chaos called "attractors" - any starting conditions within a certain parameter space invariably converge to the same attractor. in fact lorenz, the famous mathematician from whom the term "butterfly effect" was coined, described an inceredibly complex attractor system (strange attractors) where variations in initial conditions result in an attractor with chaotic behavior. this would give credibility to the "evil half" idea - different starting conditions may result in unpredictable (chaotic) changes, but might still be constrained to some subset of all possible outcomes. dont believe me? do a google search, or get a degree in mathematics.
I think you missed one: the alien-human hybrid. (There's a category you really can put spock in.)
I write a webcomic that tells about a small group of robots that are left after humanity has died out. http://www.whereaminow.org Although they emulate humans a bit, the point of it is more that they're finding their own identity, and they're realizing that they don't just have to ape their former masters. (or they simply can't, and thus find their own way of doing things) Might just be another tired trope, but I'm trying to make it more than just shlock.
Did you actually watch Solaris? You totally missed the point of the film!
Great job. Don'
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Anonymous said...
No oxygen = no fire = no fireball = no Sun = no stars = no science fiction...
Do people honestly still think the sun is a big fireball? Ack!
Great blog.
Nothing funnier than seeing a bunch of Star Trek nerds bitch and complain because someone made some valid points. These are the same nitwits who laugh everytime the repititous "Sarah Connor" reference is made at Fark.
Well written, but. See...the thing about science FICTION is that it's fiction...the creator can do whatever the hell he wants. They can create giant taco aliens that poop ice cream if he wants and it's perfectly fine because it's fiction.
1) If you think scifi is so bad, do something about it...create your own and let's see how your's stack up against the existing ones instead of bitching about it. 2) You're not Japanese...you're not even Asian :)
Does anyone read the current comments before posting? I just want to say that the buttermilk biscuits thing made me laugh out loud at work. Someone even asked if I was okay.
At any rate-- this kid has got a point, though he should have made it all less specific to avoid the countless nitpickers out there (Crap! I think I just nitpicked! Damn you!!)
Think about it, guns and explosions are somewhat more realistic than movies back in the day (Wednesday, I think) so why shouldn't science fiction attempt the same... of course, that's assuming there's a "more realistic" to achieve-- which isn't the case in time travel, as someone has already brought up.
What it comes down to is: If you think you can do better, get on it. If not, shut up and enjoy the totally unrealistic time travelling robot who wants to be more human while floating (in slow motion) in zero G.
Does anyone read the current comments before posting? I just want to say that the buttermilk biscuits thing made me laugh out loud at work. Someone even asked if I was okay.
At any rate-- this kid has got a point, though he should have made it all less specific to avoid the countless nitpickers out there (Crap! I think I just nitpicked! Damn you!!)
Think about it, guns and explosions are somewhat more realistic than movies back in the day (Wednesday, I think) so why shouldn't science fiction attempt the same... of course, that's assuming there's a "more realistic" to achieve-- which isn't the case in time travel, as someone has already brought up.
What it comes down to is: If you think you can do better, get on it. If not, shut up and enjoy the totally unrealistic time travelling robot who wants to be more human while floating (in slow motion) in zero G.
Many of these goofs have annoyed me as well, but only because they're clumsy, not because they're stupid. Science Fiction isn't about non-humans and an inexplicable future any more than Beowulf is about man-eating demons in iron-age sewers. They're both about the perceptions and behavior of contemporary humans, with strangeness used to highlight or exaggerate a situation enough to make it more interesting than simply describing a real situation realistically, where the perceptions and biases of the audience will water down the point the writer is trying to make. Accuracy in the details is necessary only insofar as the audience demands it; in SF, considering the metaphors and artificial situations depend on demonstrable science, the requirement for accuracy is quite high, but not as high as get-a-life trekkies might wish.
That said, the insignia Capt. Kirk wore while break-dancing with the Romulans WAS a gross violation of StarFleet policy and reason in itself for cancellation of the series and persecution of the writers.
So uh... What's the deal with Kendo anyways...
Isn't it just a bunch of guys hitting eachother with broomsticks?
To the last Anonymous -
Then why are you inside reading this?
Great job of pointing out all of the cliche's that plague popular entertainment in the sci-fi realm.
Someone once said that there are only four or five stories, and this is never more apparent anywhere than in the realm of science-fiction. It's the same story, over and over and over again.
But if I may humbly suggest two more additions: the utopian (Star Trek) and nihilist-disutopian (Blade Runner) future histories. They disregard human nature. Writers and especially TV writers should study Jack McDevitt, a sci-fi writer that lets people be believable people.
Keep up the good lit-crit in any case. It was worth reading.
There's a difference between hard science fiction and general science fiction. Most movies and tv are not hard science fiction
Its amazing how self-righteous we make ourselves when writing out our personal opinions in a blog of this type. Each comment following relates to the article in an absolute of - "This is how it is and anyone who contradicts me is wrong!" Considering science is constantly proving itself wrong - especially on things of this level - its not a very intelligent argument to state that "this is how it is and you should all bow before me for I am the smartest man alive!"
Take the time travel comments from the article. The butterfly effect? Great, thats one theory that hasn't been proven in any way. How many other theories exist on the subject? But hey, we should all be so lucky to have a standard of the butterfly effect to base all of our time-travel fiction on.
Or from a response poster, the explosions in space theory. No oxygen = no fireball? Great, so how did the pilot survive without oxygen? Oh wait, the ship came fully stocked with oxygen and combustible fuel? Does that mean the explosion will be big and spectacular? No, but it does mean that an explosion of some magnitude will exist. It might collapse on itself very quickly, but again, thats just a theory considering the fact that I've never blown up an X-Wing or whatever you want to complain about in space before.
If you'd like to complain about the lack of imagination in recent Sci-Fi, don't limit them to what they can concieve. That goes for the original article and the response poster. Vertical ships are stupid, and artificial gravity without centifugal motion is impossible? Good to know. I'm glad you're the end all be all on the subject.
Humaniod aliens make no sense? How about life outside of this planet doesn't make a whole lot of sense given what we can see. If we were slightly closer to the sun, or slightly further away from the sun, or if we weren't tilted on our access to the angle we rotate on - any number of variables could be changed, it is entirely likely that life on this planet would not be able to be sustained. The likelyhood that there's a planet out there with our exact orbit around a star of similar build as our Sun is slim to none, and we're bickering over the vast "mistakes" of movies that portray alien life and space travel, etc?
On top of that is the whole - ships in space wouldn't need to turn in an arc theory... The thrusters or whatever you'd like to call them are usually on the back of a ship to push it in one direction. Unless the ship had thrusters facing in all directions, or at least the major cardinal directions for 3d - up, down, left, right, forward, backward - the ship would have to turn in an arc because the only way it could even turn would be for the thrusters to angle themselves in such a way that the ship would begin its turn. How many Sci-Fi ships have you seen with their propulsion systems designed for 3D travel? I'd have to say that I can't think of one off the top of my head.
So if the article or the posts defending/contradicting it claim to be about retiring Sci-Fi Tropes because they're dumb, the new ideas are just as dumb - even though in half of the stated arguments there aren't even new ideas to help sustain the retirement of the old.
The one basic truth is, PEOPLE KEEP WATCHING IT, SO THEY KEEP MAKING IT!!! If you want something different, make it yourself because complaining about it here just shows that you aren't creative enough to flush your money down the toilet making something that isn't popular enough to make your money back. Just because its based on your personal opinion on what should be considered factual science doesn't mean everyone else wants to see it. Entertainment is about giving the audience a chance to live in your imagination and if your imagination sucks, you don't belong in show business.
Lets not forget such wonderful things as noise in a vacuum
ala any battle scene in space, (galactica, starship troopers, etc)
Did no one in friggin hollywood take an elmentary science class where a teacher sticks noisy alarm or som such into a vacuum chamber and then sucks the air out? did they not notice that the noise went away as the air did.
How is "Event Horizon" about getting wishes fulfilled?
ESPERANTO!!!!
Good read. I have my own article. Its called 'Tired Critiques of Movies and Television.' The #1 entry is "That's just not realistic!"
That being said, some of the beginning portion of your article was dead on. "What is it to be a human?" Who cares! Shut your robot mouth and keep mopping, tinboy!
UM, did you ever WATCH star trek? SPOCK NEVER WANTED TO BE HUMAN BUT ALWAYS WANTED TO BE MORE VULCAN AND LESS HUMAN!!!!Idiots!
This is correct. I am an idiot.
However, Star Trek still used Spock in a "what it means to be human" way.
Still, you are right.
You'll need to pull this one from your list. There are many different views on how time travel 'works' and as there's no such thing as 'real' time travel, trying to apply your personal standard is pointless.
But I wasn't writing about time travel. No matter your interpretation (multiple universes, multiple timelines, single timeline), chaos theory still applies. BttF is wrong in ANY interpretation of time travel.
Honestly, people like you shouldn't even watch Sci-Fi. All of these old standards are that way because they're popular
Please do not come to my blog and tell me something is GOOD because it's POPULAR. Are you a Charmed fan?
Fiction isn't reality and people LIKE fiction. They like stuff to be fantastical and not make sense.
Funny, I didn't say these tropes were BAD. Did you read the OP? I said they are OVERUSED. They have become boring. Lazy writers lean on them like crutches.
If you all are going to bother to respond, please respond to what I actually write. It's like you're a bunch of Charmed fans.
Go outside, meet a girl & have sex.
Darth Vader threw the emperor towards the CENTER down that shaft... it was a goddamn sphere you nimrod
Uh huh. But why was it there? Why didn't the artificial gravity system, or interial dampeners, save the Emporer?
And don't tell me the Death Star had natural gravity. It's mass was very small, even for an object that size. Clearly it had artificial gravity, because (a) everyone walked around like it was one gee and (b) parts of the Death Star around the equator were set up as if the poles were "up" and "down," but objects on the surface were set up as if the center of the sphere were "down."
You nimrod.
I recommend the Author read more SF and stop watching someone else's interpretation of SF concepts.
Based on your comments, I recommend the following authors, starting with those that would seem to satisfy your cravings best:
- David Brin (star with Sundiver or Startide Rising)
- Vernor Vinge (A Fire Upon the Deep)
- Larry Niven (with and without Poul Anderson)
- Iain M. Banks (anything, but start early)
- early (pre-Xanth) Piers Anthony (Omnivore/Orn/Ox trilogy and the Cluster series)
Anyone who read the article, then bothered to post about how the author's wasting his life, please keep in mind that reading blogs and posting your own worthless opinions may also be considered as such. And I'm not excluding myself in this.
Commence flaming.
A well-thought out essay! Now go outside and get some sun. Please. All of you!
I feel compelled to add -- and this complaint is also a tired geek cliche -- for all of you who feel being a sci-fi fan must mean I have no life, no girlfriend, no job....
If this had been an in-depth blog entry into some arcane bit of sports trivia, no one would be saying those things.
The fact that I can name all seven sons of Feanor is no more or less geeky or sad than some lunk who can name all the members of the '72 Denver Broncos.
So STFU.
Of course all aliens will look humanoid.
God created man in his own image. Therefore if he created highly intelligent life on other planets, it would look humanoid as well. He may have put "putty on the bridge of their nose" as you racist bigots like to say, merely as artistic license.
I appreciated your thoughts, and I agreed with most. However, if an alien did bother to learn English, it would be the dialect spoken by the largest group of speakers; hence they would adopt American pronunciation, not Received Pronunciation. In addition, the largest group of space travelers at this time has come from the USA. Is it wrong to speculate that that will continue?
but some humanoid alien/robot women are hot........
YOU NERDS!
HA HA!
LOLZ!!!!!11111
trope:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_of_speech
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/trope
http://www.sil.org/linguistics/GlossaryofLinguisticTerms/WhatIsATrope.htm
http://atheism.about.com/library/glossary/aesthetics/bldef_trope.htm
I'm just thinking... not the best choice of terminology.
Glad you mentioned the all-time most annoying pet peeve of mine: TNG's "inertia dampeners". The best line ever in TNG was Riker yelling, "Everyone! Hold on! Inertia dampeners may not be working!" as the Enterprise went from warp factor seven to dead stop in 3 seconds. Who needs an airbag when you've got THAT restraint system?
Reminds me, too, of a Brother Dave Gardner comedy story (1960's) of a motorcycle accident: "Teeth, hair and eyes all over the concrete"
As to 'good aliens', kudos to Larry Niven for never allowing anyone to use his Kzin or Moties in a film unless they do them right. Kinda tough to make a realistic 8 ft tall killer kitty by stuffing a 6 ft tall actor in a suit. (note: Kzin were used, in passing, in a Star Trek cartoon episode)
Slow-Mo in Zero Gee... you show a scene from 2001. The stewardesses in that scene are walking "slowly" because they are wearing, essentially, Velcro (tm) shoes, which addresses your "artificial gravity" issue in Vertical Spaceships. Read the book. Clarke was amazingly prescient (currently, astronauts on the Shuttle as well as the ISS use such "hook and loop" fasteners for a NUMBER of activities, including sleeping). Also, note that one moves slowly in microgravity because one does not want to propel onesself into a bulkhead. Having interviewed a number of former and current astronauts, I do know a bit about this.
And finally, with regards to "artificial gravity", I go back to 2001 -- use of centrifugal force (wheel-type systems, like that on the space station, as well as the ship) simulate gravity and, in fact, are being considered for long-range (ex: Mars) missions.
To adjunct to the first comment ("go outside"), let me just say, "read a book". Take your umbrage at movie makers, if you will, but also get your facts straight.
A note about ships all being turned the same direction when they meet...
I believe I read or saw somewhere that they 'fly' in reference to the galactic plane (for spiral galaxies).
Not a requirement, just a standard method of operating.
I am going to cut off and eat my own testicles now.
you've got to be joking. going by this twisted, skewed view all sci-fi should be banned.
hey man they farked you!
http://www.fark.com/
As far as all aliens being humanoid in appearance, nobody's mentioned the show Farscape and what a fantastic job they did with actors conveying emotions not only in humans wearing a buttload of prosthetics (see D'Argo), but also using animatronic puppets (Pilot, Sparky, etc). Farscape Rocked. It DID, however use the monocultural alien planet / sound in space / etc themes a bit much, but made up for it with incredibly hot women. I mean, who the hell cares if the whole planet is a slave-farming commune if every saturday night they have giant free for all orgies! Getting a life in 3...2....1...
I've had quite a few thoughts of my own about this stuff too. I'm glad you posted this.
A certain amount of the conventions of scifi today come from UFO folklore. The "grays" were not invented by Whitley Streiber. They have been a fairly consistent element of UFO contact stories for quite some time. Also, believe it or not, there is a distinct but similar race to the grays that is also sometimes reported. Although they are short, with large, bald heads and large eyes, they do not have the black sclera effect or the birdlike talons or grayish skin tones like the Rosewell crash aliens allegedly had. This other race is almost like a human baby in some features, and has been associated with the blond-haired, blue-eyed, human-looking "nordics" as in the Travis Walton case, which was grossly altered to make the film Fire in the Sky.
Here's a pet peeve of mine: hyperspace. Although the term has caught on as a plaything in physics, the concept of a space with four Euclidean spatial dimensions is largely a mathematical playground, not an actual place. It's how we get the tesseract, or hypercube. There are also people who will say, "Duh, the fourth dimension is time" and they don't get the point. Time is a temporal dimension, not a spatial dimension.
The problem with hyperspace is that it is essentially useless. Going from pseudo-two-dimensional travel over land is slower than flight only because the added vertical dimension helps avoid obstacles. It doesn't shorten the distance between two points.
When you talk about shortening the distance between two points, you're not talking about hyperspace, but instead spacetime compression paths. This is how so-called flying saucers and the like allegedly traverse vast distances, as explained by Bob Lazar. It's essentially the model for deep space travel in Star Trek, Dune, Macross, Battlestar Galactica, etc. However, I do have a pet peeve about how it's shown in many films. Actually, I have to admit that the videos shot of UFOs do a pretty good job of showing what that kind of pseudo-acceleration would look like. One second it's there, then FLIT! it's a streak the naked eye may not even see.
Also, the reason there are so many humanoid aliens in UFO folklore is because we're all distant relatives, and life here originally came from somewhere out there. Every religion/mythology at some point describes the "gods" coming from the sky, idealizes the heavens, etc. Check out Zecharia Sitchin's work, et al.
There ARE oocasionally the really weird UFO stories about non-humanoid aliens, like octopoids, weird energy plasma things, etc.
I agree with the pet peeve on languages though. Alien languages in scifi are rarely well fleshed out or complex, and usually close to existing languages. One thing I've been working into a scifi story is this effect where a word in another language sounds just like an english word, but doesn't have the same meaning, and vice versa. There are plenty of examples of this in real life, but rarely in alien languages. Plus there are languages like chinese where saying the same thing with the wrong emphasis produces a different meaning. Now that's tricky!
Also, how about the same recycled weapons and gadgets over and over?
At least Star Trek got the communicator about right. I see flip-phones everywhere now, except the flip-top isn't an antenna, but a color screen.
How about scifi fashion? Why do they assume we're going to abandon labels and ties and get weird shoulder pads? I mean, hey, I'm a child of the 80s and love that Italian stuff, but I don't think it's catching on.
Someone already said this but it is easily the most offended law of physics in Sci-Fi movies:
Sound. How the F**k can one hear lasers and explosions in space??? WTF? There's no medium, i.e. atmosphere, to carry the sound waves. And the worst offender is Star Wars Epsisode II, where Jango Fett drops those "sonic" bombs to try and kill Obi-Wan. Give me an F'ing break! Hasn't George Lucas learned anything about space since he's spent most of his life there!
Hm. I certainly did not think Event Horizon was about granting wishes. Who in their right mind would wish for the sh*t in that movie!!?? Seriously. Okay so the point I guess is that it took people out of their "right mind", but still. It's one of the only movies I ever walked out of because it was just too evil. Of course I went back and watched the whole thing later on to avoid the shame of fleeing it in fear. Anyway.
That lazy humanoid alien thing has bugged me my whole damn life!!!!
wow.
why didn't you just say you hate sci-fi shows instead of this long winded diatribe?
If you knock out half of the "tired cliches" there wouldn't be any sci-fi shows. why din't you just say you hate sci-fi entertainment and enjoy the queer drama's?
it's all relative anyway.
Please stop watching sci-fi and watch dancing with the stars(no cliche's there!)
other than that, warp factor 4, ENGAGE.
wow.
why didn't you just say you hate sci-fi shows instead of this long winded diatribe?
If you knock out half of the "tired cliches" there wouldn't be any sci-fi shows. why din't you just say you hate sci-fi entertainment and enjoy the queer drama's?
it's all relative anyway.
Please stop watching sci-fi and watch dancing with the stars(no cliche's there!)
other than that, warp factor 4, ENGAGE.
123 comments. Wow. Well, in case you get down this far, here are some ideas for chapter 2, and no, I'm not going to check and make sure no one else has brought them up. Just toss what you like on the pile, and leave the rest.
OLD WOMEN, YOUNG MEN AND HANDRAILS. Futuristic societies have none of these. Just cranky old goats running around in bathrobes, each with one (1) nubile young daughter waiting for Captain Kirk to teach her how to kiss. All bottomless pits are utterly devoid of handrails. I haven't double-checked, but I do believe "Revenge of the Sith" is the only Star Wars movie to have a handrail, anywhere (Anakin crying on Mustafar scene).
PINPOINTING BETTER THAN MAPQUEST: Whenever the protagonist lands on a planet, he lands where he needs to. Within a hundred feet. Out of the PLANET. Luke lands where Yoda is. Captain Kirk lands where the boss-o-the-planet is. Obi-Wan ducks into the complex on Geonosis, and the first thing upon which he stumbles is the super-secret meeting among the bad guys about how to betray the Republic. When good guys are captured, they are always imprisoned right next to the secret plans, so that when they defeat the energy field restraining them, the first thing they find is...you know.
PREVENTIVE MEASURES: This is when something bad happens to the good guys...and then it happens again...and again...and again...and they don't behave as if it's ever happened. Piper, Phoebe and whats-her-name NEVER put any Demon-detecting measures in their living room even though demons have broken into it, wrecked the place, and then been vanquished in thirty seconds or less -- at least once, every episode, each season, for a decade. Scully spends just as long, every single episode, coming up with the theory of what did NOT happen and acting like Mulder has lost his marbles when he takes a wild stab at what DID. When he turns out to be right, she acts like he's never happened before. History always began that morning.
SLINGSHOT AROUND THE SUN: Time travel is possible simply by slingshotting around the sun. Allowing that this does indeed work and you can find your way back again, how do you pick the year?
SOUND IN SPACE. I know I'm just repeating what others have said here.
LET'S DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT: Where the actors get tired of making a science fiction show, and are re-imagined as actors in a Robin Hood routine, or a detective story. Sometimes it's on the "holodeck" and sometimes they're compelled to do it by an omni-powerful extraterrestrial entity, for that entity's entertainment, which brings me to...
OMNI-POWERFUL ENTITIES: Please stop. And that brings me to...
PREACHY SUPERIOR INTELLECTS LECTURING HUMANS TO STOP BEING SELF-DESTRUCTIVE PLANET-POLUTING ASSHOLES. Please, please, for the love of everything holy, stop.
A WELL-PLACED KARATE CHOP KNOCKS A GUY OUT COLD: Not such a big problem since the sixties. Must have been something in the air in the 1960's.
KAH-LEEN: The first shot you see of a TV pilot or in a movie, you can tell it takes place in a high-developed futuristic society because the computer terminals are covered with lights that actually blink and the carpets are freshly shampoo'd, a place for everything and everything in its place. Everything's so CLEAN. Makes me wonder if the set designers even know anybody who spends time around computers.
GET THE MEDICINE TO THE TROUBLED PLANET IN TIME: The planet is dying. The PLANET is dying. The vaccine must be acquired and deployed to the troubled planet before the deadline, or life on the planet will end. The hero goes through all kinds of trouble and manages to breezily stroll on over to the troubled planet with just 15 minutes, give or take, to spare. Question. How do you innoculate a whole planet in 15 minutes?
TOO GOOD LEADERSHIP: The heroes run into a whole bunch of aliens. Five, 20, a whole planet. One of the aliens represents all of the aliens, so they tell him their idea and he says "we think that's a great idea." Or "we agree." Or "we have a beef with that." No discussion amongst them beforehand. "They" just heard the idea for the very first time. No dissention or rancor about what the "head alien" guy just said. Most of the time, the other aliens in the room are supposed to be representatives of some huge constituency themselves. Star Wars was a pretty spectacular offender here, because Queen Amidala says "I submit a vote of no-confidence in Chancellor Valorum" or something like that, and the second the words were past her painted lips, the dude was as good as fired. They could have fixed that without chewing up any more screen time; just have a vote started right there, and in the next scene have someone run down a hallway yelling "Hey, the no-confidence vote just passed!" But no. People on other planets don't need to vote or discuss anything.
ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE: There are two (2) bad guys. One of them is rotten to the core. The other one is merely a flawed mortal. In the middle of some kind of skulduggery, an innocent spots them and so they have to knock her out cold. The rotten-to-the-core bad guy says, let's take her body to the ravine and drop her in because we can't have anyone find out about us. The flawed-mortal bad guy says hey, waitaminnit, you didn't say anything about any rough stuff. And the rotten-to-core bad guy says, don't you go getting an "attack of conscience" now, or I'll tell everybody about your past, the REAL one. And so the flawed-mortal guy says, oh gosh, he's got me there I'd better do what he wants. You're listing "tropes" that have been overused, and that one's been overused as much as any.
Except maybe for...
WHEN THE BAD GUYS HIT THE GOOD GUY'S SHIP WITH A "LASER" OR "PHOTON TORPEDO": ...One or more of the consoles on the "bridge," explodes into a shower of sparks and might even kill someone -- ON THE BRIDGE. But I'm sure that one will be covered by someone else.
Great list. Many will criticize it and tell you to get a life. They are what they call others.
Why bother to learn the King's English when it's "regional dialect" has become the international norm? The overwhelming majority of non-native speakers use American vocabulary and pronunciation...Why should space aliens be different?
I agree with the blogger on their major points (especially the bit about humanoid aliens, I understand it saves money, but it's always bothered me), and would like to add a few of my own:
Firstly, the two biggest overused cliches in sci-fi are the Alien Invasion and the Mad Scientist. Much midcentury scifi follows one formula or the other, expressing cultural fears of the cold war era (think "Keep watching the skies!" or "He payed the price for meddling in God's domain!"). That kind of stuff was already overdone in the days of H.G. Wells.
Secondly, guns do not solve every problem in real life, and neither do martial arts. There is no reason why either or both should be required to solve every problem in scifi. Certain problems, perhaps, yes, but not all of them. It's uncreative and boring.
Scifi tends to be predictable and formulaic. To rise above this, scifi requires inventive writing, competent acting, convincing effects, and a lot of other things the entertainment industry is not really very good at. The media companies don't care about content, they are only interested in making money. As long as people keep paying for low quality material, they will not bother to expend the time and effort required to make better quality material. And even the best modern scifi is highly derivative of the pulp era.
There are no new ideas.
How many Sci-Fi ships have you seen with their propulsion systems designed for 3D travel? I'd have to say that I can't think of one off the top of my head.
Kudos to Babylon 5 on this point (and a few others) with the Starfury. It's resemblance to an X-wing put aside, the four thrusters which can be individually angled is a good design for a 3D fighter craft and they show these thrusters being used in realistic ways.
For example a common manouver is for the side two thrusters to flip backwards rotating the ship to fire at a target behind it, while the ship continues to move forwards with its momentum.
Ha and oh yeah, i love how ships always approach each other oriented the same way.
I'd love to see an episode of Trek where a ship can't be identified because it's flying upside down. "Captain, our computers just weren't programmed to identify an upside down ship, this has never happened before".
Add to that explosions in space. No oxygen = no fire = no fireball.
What is the putty-nose onboard breathing? Also in the case of solid fuel rockets, how are they burning the rocket fuel without a cache of liquid oxygen? Not to mention the possibility that a ship shot by a missile was hit by one designed to explode in space.
You probably want to mention the whole sound in space thing.. yea.. 'cause when there is space shots.. it should be completely silent unless there is like.. radio communications...no explosions no weapon firing sounds etc...yea
OH yea..good list.. I half agree with the whole lot of commenters too.. But I do belive a show that followed physics to a T would possibly be interesting.. or maybe boring.. hard to tell since it'd take quite a while to get anywhere.
Hmm so bashing mostly on star trek, erm get a life please.. maybe the Furinkan High School Kendo Club wont get beat up by the Science and Pop Quiz Club this week... nah probaly not
If Marty McFly goes back in time and prevents his parents from meeting, there is no way to fix it.
While I agree, I always assume (for the sake of piece of mind if nothing else) that some built-in safety feature of the time machine somehow acts to prevent the user being winked out of existance. Maybe the weird flashy Y shaped thing behind his head. They could put it next to the machine that compensates for stellar drift and the earth's orbit so that they're always in the same place when they travel back in time.
After all, if I was the worlds first... temponaut? Whatever you want to call it. I'd like to know that I wasn't going to rustle a few molecules and prevent myself existing.
I mean hell, if you can build a time travel machine into a car with 1980s technology, then it's not like that's beyond the realm of engineering feasibility.
It's like you're a bunch of Charmed fans.
Uhm... no comment. (what is there possibly not to like about big breasted women kicking ass?)
Actually, you CAN have a fireball in space. For one, all these ships with humans (or, at least, oxygen-breathing creatures) have, well, oxygen atmospheres. If a ship were blown-up somehow, there'd probably be some storage tank of oxygen within that mess that will surely burn quite nicely.
Also, rocket fuel is designed to burn without the need of oxygen; remember, not all chemical reactions are "oxidation" (or, more accurately, re-dox...oxidation can either mean adding oxygen to a substance or it can mean giving up electrons). You can certainly have a heavy-duty exothermic reaction and not involve a single atom of oxygen. E.g., if you had a completely dark room filled with hydrogen gas and chlorine gas and turned on a light, the ensuing reaction would create a very nice explosion indeed.
Hi that's just crazy talk! wamma bamma lang a lang! Who knows what is being said out there where no one can serve you ice cream!!
Ok you're right and you're wrong...Ok you're mostly right but you kinda miss the point. Remember its called science fiction not science fact. The aim of most authors and nearly all film/tv makers is to tell a good story. The plot and the characters are the point not how the ship flies or what the aliens should look or sound like. Considerations like budget and time must be taken into account. The characters and situation (alien or otherwise) must be relatable or the audience will just ignore them and change the channel. Sad but true. Some authors certianly attempt rigourous scientific accuracy (Clarke, Asimov, etc.) but even there they are more concerned with the story and use devices to facilitate the telling not the telling to explain the science(mostly). Some of your criticisms are dead on, lazy writing is a bane of all entertainment and too many writers feel that if they put a bad story in space and give everybody ray guns it qualifies as SciFi. So you're right but some cliches should be accepted for the sake of telling a good story, least that's what I think.
Thanks for the article. Those of us who actually bothered to read it understand that the point was to point out overused plot points that have no basis in science rather than to whine about Star Trek. Those people making "mom's basement" comments are just jealous they didn't think of it themselves.
Anyhow, another thing I would add to the list is the impracticality of SPACE COMBAT -- firing a laser, mass driver or missile in space would be a foolish thing to do, since all of them would essentially continue on forever until they hit something. A laser beam or pulse might be eventually scattered by intersellar dust or other particles, but any projectile would continue on at a constant velocity. The same would happen from the shrapnel and debris from a spaceship (which, incidentally, COULD explode from the inside, provided that the ship was carrying oxygen to fuel the explosion).
Can you imagine the repercussions an interstellar battle might have on nearby ships and societies? That might make a good story right there.
-SJJ
I have left my Rebuttal, along with other users, at MY forum, where there was a link to this one
http://www.coolminiornot.com/forums/viewthread.php?tid=16369&pid=270972#pid270972
Wrong about the orientation thing. It will turn out that people are more comfortable and react more predictably and safely if things are oriented as if there were a common gravity orientation. So, things will be hopefully be designed that way, against the wishes of engineers that explain there is no gravity here so let's not waste effort on structures that don't have a function. They have a function, it's an ergonomic function. If you postulate that the folks in the spacecraft were born in space, I'm sort of with you. Otherwise, you seem to fail to appreciate the human element in your space machines.
A Fellow Anonymous: The BttF time paradigm is clearly explained in the movie, especially in #2. That’s their view, their rules. You can’t try to add your own.
Actually, Back to the Future: II violated its own rules. Old Man Biff had taken the sports almanac back and given it to Young Punk Biff before Marty and the Professor returned to the DeLorean in the future. Indeed, Old Man Biff should not even have been able to return the DeLorean to that future, since the spun-off timeline should already have been created. The future should already have been replaced by the future of the Biff’s Dream / Everyone Else’s Nightmare present. That of course would’ve nullified the rest of the movie.
Some have tried to explain this by saying that the divergence point of the BD/EEN timeline from the proper timeline wasn’t when Old Man Biff gave Young Punk Biff the almanac, but rather when Young Punk Biff took the almanac seriously, which didn’t happen until after Old Man Biff left the past and got back to his (original) future. That could let Old Man Biff bring the DeLorean back, but it still doesn’t explain why the future didn’t change immediately upon his return.
I have to remember to ignore the trolls, and just respond to the thoughtful comments.
Let me just reiterate -- the Butterfly Effect and Time Travel are two different, but related, things. Chaos math is not "experimental" or "unproved" -- you experience the Butterly Effect every second of every day.
No matter what time travel idea you use, causality applies. BttF is a science-fantasy, and so it's an easy target. But people confuse it for science fiction.
Lorenz attractors have NOTHING to do with Marty's parents or goateed Spock or humanoid aliens. It JUST CAN'T HAPPEN.
in fact, given that there would be an infinite number of parallel universes, there would be an infinite number of them which contained an evil version of oneself.
No. There would NOT. I just had this argument with some friends of mine.
People assume that if there are an infinite number of universes, than anything is possible. This is not true. In every single one of those universes, contigency and the laws of physics apply.
Impossible things still can't happen, even in an infinite number of universes. There are simply infinite combinations of what is possible.
This assumes all the universes follow physical law. If they follow different physical law, then STILL you can't have anything happen -- only the things permitted by the altered physical law.
If you assume NO physical law -- well, then we might as well not discuss it at all.
given the exoskeletal body types success on our own planet, why wouldnt it be common in the stars?
Some people are pointing out that exoskeletons are common on Earth, so why can't aliens have them?
They can. What article are you reading? I never said Giger's alien, or exoskeletons, were impossible. I said it was overused in sci-fi.
Here he is once again disagreeing with himself, by asking for non-humanoid aliens and then baulking [sic] when handed them.
Giger's alien IS humanoid.
s this kid for real? The slow-mo effect, like the orientation effect mentioned above, is for the veiwers benefit! It's a visual 'interpretation' of what it would feel like without gravity. We identify it with being 'underwater', the closest any of us will ever get to Zero-Gee, so we can relate to whats happening on the screen. Also, if all that stood between me an instant death was a crappy suit made by the lowest bidder, you know damn well I'm going to move VERY slowly and carefully!
Great. Still boring and unrealistic, though.
To add to what someone posted above, the spaceship from Dark City is possibly the most brilliant spaceship design ever... and, frankly, that's what a spaceship WOULD look like if you had both force fields and artificial gravity. Why confine yourself to a metal box when the forcefield can keep in the air and you can look up directly at the stars?
To all the Trolls...
He's not saying that he can't suspend disbelief. He's saying that these ideas are done to death and are TIRED. I tend to agree. When I was a kid, I didn't care...Star Wars was cool. As an adult, I find sci-fi that is grounded actual science a little mroe interesting...2001 By Arthur C C larke for instance.
Okay, I didn't read page 2 and I didn't get through too many of the comments so this has probably been said more than once, but in writing a story or making a TV show or movie, you need to make it so you can relate to the characters. Who wants to watch a movie or book where you can't tell the alien's face from his ass and you spend the whole time reading subtitles while they speak in a language that sounds like your dishwasher when it's broken? Oh, and don't ever sit anywhere near me when I go watch a sci-fi movie, you'll be the loser constantly pfff-ing and whining about the special effects.
I don't want to seem like I am just nitpicking but there are explanations for some of that that would be the only solution for the situation presented.
Most Sci Fi employs translators. I.E. The alien is actually speaking its own language and the recipient is hearing it in their own language dialect etc.
Example) Babel Fish in HGTG.
The Explosions in Space thing has been covered, a shit carrying explosive weapons would explode.
The way the ships look? I assume they would have a front and some engines. Assuming your really big into 3 dimensional travel the most likely ship design would be a giant sphere with engines on all sides.
Banking? Hey buddy Inertia still exists even in a vacuum. So you want the ships to waste fuel not only turning but compensating for your forward motion? Not practical if your small fighter has limited fuel.
One thing I hate though is the energy weapons with recoil and/or knockback when it hits somebody.
I want more...
You forgot the whole
"captain/hero becomes a messiah-like martyr for the good of the entire universe/galaxy/copiusly large backyard of your next door neighbor" bit, though.
I've always thought there was a fairly simple backstory explanation for sounds in space which works for just about everything: It's advantageous to have as many senses as possible feeding you useful information, so systems were quickly developed and installed to simulate sounds for the silence of space. It'd make the transition easier (since we're used to an atmosphere, and most sci-fi aliens are too), and feed us information about anything around us, not just where our eyes can see.
Personally, I'm tired of 'gun' battles that play out the same way they have for the past 40+ years in movies and TV. Phasers, blaster rifles, flak guns, whatever, most any ranged combat involves the same tactics and battlefield technology as a wild west gunfight. Modern soldiers fight using far more advanced tools and training, so think what (x) years of development might result in? And even in a peaceful society, there's still a need for 'peacekeeping tools', for local law enforcement (not everyone's perfect) and to ensure that your galactic neighbors don't steamroll your pansy species into extinction. I certainly hope 400 years of advancement won't result in people still aiming down their sights with the naked eye, and using the tactical finesse, situational awareness, and planning acumen of a schoolkid's game of Cops and Robbers.
Great article! Thanks for taking the time to write this. It's time that TV/Movie SF writers had better standards.
And what about English-speaking aliens? All of whom apparently understand American English colloquialisms? Puh-leeeze. Daniel Jackson was brought into the Stargate mission because of his facility with languages. So what happened? On one planet in the galaxy, they happen to speak ancient Egyptian, but on every other planet, they speak modern Canadian?
re: Time Travel
This one only bothers me when the creators set up the time travel rules of their universe, and then contradict themselves. Star Trek is particularly guilty, breaking their own rules within single episodes as well as treating it entirely differently in separate episodes and series. I give Twelve Monkeys major props for handling time travel in a new way.
On the subject of gravity and "up/down relation". Yes unless you have some sort of artifical spin gravity (MechWarrio GravDeck anyone?" there isn't a need for any sort of "up or down". But you need to understand how the human brain works. Sure you could have computers lining the walls, ceilings and floors of any given zero-g room. But the moment a human goes into said room they're going to be confused since our minds are programmed with gravity in mind.
Also, fighters would still need to "bank turn" in space. If you spin an object around it's axis at high speed, even in space it's still going to create G-forces for whatever is inside it. So if you spin a fighter around it's central axis at mach 5, the human inside is going to be turned into a pile of goo.
I just can say Amen to that.
By the way, maybe we need cyberpunk (a genre I think has fallen into oblivion or even worst, mutated to a different kind of sci-fi) again, where things are dirtier and way worst than now, instead of future evolving to a "all white, clean and polite" kind of future society.
Loved to see how someone other than me (and from other country/culture) did wrote the very same thoughts that I have had for many years :)
Wow. Some you the commenters are taking this waaaay too seriously.
I like your list although I disagree with some and there is a special place in my heart for most of the cliches.
I think the fan(atic)s are getting a little worked up because you criticised their fandom.
you are stupid and your blog is the worst waste of time I have ever endured. Your opinions are flawed in almost every way because of the lack of intelligent thought processes in your brain.
How about the space travel through hyperspace that looks like going through a dirt road short cut? battles inside hiperspace where you can only use some wheapons but not others ? LOL
I don't know what's worse - the fact that I read this, or that you wrote it. I love Star Trek and Battlestar - but PLEASE - IT'S A TV SHOW. GET OVER IT.
Some points are good, but others are just lame...
a) Time Loop plots, often the concept is that the going back to fix is in fact a part of the original sequence and just goes unnoticed. Such as occurred in Babylon 5. (But yes, Back to the Future had a number of inconsistencies. Like why didn't Marty's mom recognize that he looked a lot like that guy back in high school.)
b) As for all the ships being flat planed in space. Well, this is because there IS in fact an up/down in space. Nearly all space occurrences happen in the milky way galaxy (few take place elsewhere, and when they do it's usually another spiral galaxy). Spiral galaxies are polar.
Your argument is akin to saying why do they say the ship is sailing west. There is no west. And there isn't. It's just a rational concept we've created utilizing the polar nature of earth.
So why would you think mankind would not do the same based on the galatic pole? Have such a universal line would greatly aid in navigation in numerous ways.
Babylon 5 did actually break this in numerous ways. Ships docking into the station would actually enter in a rotational orbit. Star Furies finally showed us zero-G maneuvers. And Whitestars often broke the planar movements when in combat.
All very realistic to me.
Regarding the Pinnochio theory. Well, remember Spock and T'pal (whatever the Vulcan on Enterprise was called) had anti-pinnochio syndrome. In that they were fighting becoming more human.
Also, there are number of great plots and that's about it. Star Wars is no different than King Arthur. Young knight, magic sword, old wizard, princess trapped in fortress, black knight, friendly rogue assistant, and talking steed (R2-D2 - which most people do not realize when in the X-Wing makes the simile for Luke's "talking steed").
But the stories can be done well or done really bad. And that said, even a bad story can be done really well so as to provide a lot of fun. (Case in point: "Back to the Future" it was a great fun flick for all it's flaws. Much more entertaining than say a flawless documentary.)
I laughed out loud at this. I'm a big Trek and Star Wars fan, and some things you listed I had thought about, but others never occurred to me.
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No aliens, no sound in space, excellent character development. Not even all the humans speak English. Only problem I have with it is with the gravity on the ship, which persists even without power, somehow.
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No aliens, just robots that look human because humans created them. All fights occur in three dimensions. All ships are designed to move in 3 dimensions. Again, no source of gravity. Although it is the ultimate manifestation of the pinnocchio principle, it is brilliantly done, and well-reasoned.
I agree with most of your points, except with time travel. Infinity is infinity. By simple mathematics, the probability of any possible event, with an infinite number of attempts, becomes 1. If there are infinite universes, which we have to grant them because it's their world and we can't disprove it, then regardless of how remote the possibility of an evil Spock with a goatee, at least one of the universes has one. Sure it's mind-bogglingly small, but that's the point of infinity.
Also, those universes supposedly are created by all the possibilities occurring of every possible choice. That's inherently a chaotic system. Minute changes in input creating great and unpredictable outcomes. Therefore the concept of Lorentz attractors applies. In such a complicated system, in fact, strange attractors are practically inevitable. Thus, though unlikely, it is possible that the likelihood of a Spock-like creature in the 23rd century is extraordinarily high for no good reason. And the only way to know for sure is to figure out the equation (impossible) and simulate a vast array of inputs (doubly impossible).
Now, having trumped the geeks in thei geekdom, I'd like to point out that despite being the biggest geek that ever geeked, I do most of my farking while my fiancee sleeps off sex. You don't have to believe me any more than you have to believe in evolution, but I have enough evidence to convince me.
I very much agree with the author, science fiction themes have gotten rather stale. There is lots of room for inventive social/sexual ideas. How about exploring different family structures among alien races? Look at life on earth, there are all sorts of strange sexual reproductive arrangements. Fish changes sexes; some are all born one sex and then change to the opposite sex at mid-life. Fish also have super males and bees have super females (queen bees). How about tri-sexual families where there is one hetrosexual male and two bisexual females? There are many many possible variations, why not expore the possibilities in science fiction?
some eejit said in a comment that the american/ british accent was no more correct than any other type. That is wrong.If english is your mother tongue ,its valid (scots ,welsh and irish come to mind)
if english is a second language ,you just got to try to speak more clearly.
it pisses me off that aliens/humans in scifi seem to be linguistic savants.
if polish,french ,indians etc muck up english why not klingon,vulcan and borg?
time to get out of your parents' basement :)
A theoretical physicist, I'm blanking on his name, worked out the mathematics of time travel and came up with something different, and supposedly proved it right. The basic idea is that there is only one timeline, period, and everything will stay consistent even with time travel.
Imagine a pool table, with a little wormhole. The billiard ball going through the wormhole will go back a few seconds in time, come back on a path that intersects its path to the wormhole.
Now roll the ball through, at such a speed that it will come out the wormhole, and knock itself off course, so it never enters the wormhole in the first place. Paradox!
What this guy proved is that the ball will come out of the wormhole slightly off course, and strike its earlier self a glancing blow that allows the earlier ball to go through the wormhole after all.
And why did the ball come out of the wormhole off course? Because, before entering the wormhole, it was struck a glancing blow...
Uh, I agree with a lot of this, but - Received Pronunciation? Are you joking? Listen, if you're under the impression that RP is inherently more "correct" than American English, you need to take an introductory linguistics class. Whichever dialect is most widespread will be the most useful - and American English is all over the place, these days.
To complain and pick at everything shows a lack of appreciation for the creativity taken to produce what they have. Question: Have you, the publisher of this 2 piece whining piece of garbage produced anything that comes near the creativity of the pieces you've taken such care to tear down and criticize? If not, then shut up! The same way people who don't vote really shouldn't complain, people who don't create shouldn't tear down those that do.
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Well, I guess at this late date I only have three things to say:
1.) Some people have adopted this bizarre idea, that one should not be able to criticize something without being able to produce better. I do not understand this at all. I won't bother to go into my own history as an author of science fiction, because it's irrelevant. Of course I can criticize. The only question is whether I do it WELL or not.
These are the same people who say you can't criticize the War in Iraq without coming up with a better plan. The War in Iraq is unfixable. Progressives DID have a better plan: Don't have a War in Iraq.
2.) The Butterfly Effect is not a theory that needs to be proven. It is an observed effect, the natural consequence of mathematics. The only way their could NOT be a Butterfly Effect is if a supernatural being imposed arbitrary fate on the universe.
Fate is not a scientific concept. It is a supernatural one, and has no place in sci fi, or even literary fiction. It belongs only in fantasy.
Any time travel theory MUST take into account contingency. Any story whatsoever must take into account contingency. In a non-sci-fi story, the audience will notice when the plot does not make sense. But if the plot makes no sense in a sci-fi story, as in BttF, they will write it off as "just" sci-fi. Not to pick on BttF -- it's a great movie -- but this is just lazy.
3.) There is no way to predict how aliens will communicate with us. Most likely, as suggested by CE3K, they will be UNABLE to communicate with us normally -- they are alien, after all.
My comment about Received Pronunciation was pretty arbitrary. I am assuming, quite arbitrarily, that an alien who bothers to learn English will want to learn it correctly.
There are only two ways to determine what is "correct" English that make any sense. (1) There is no "correct" version, just regional and temporal variants. (2) The correct version is the version spoken by sophisticated, educated residents of the language's culture of origin.
As an alien, I choose (2) -- Received Pronunciation.
wow. i had fun reading both parts. and then i glanced through the comments. man, why the hell did you get so many flamers? most of them obviously don't give a crap about anything sci-fi, why the hell did they bother reading this? idiots..
anyway, props dude for writing this
You really have to broaden your thinking. Not to say you haven't made a few points, but the flaws in sf that are created by budget issues/pandering to unintelligent audience/haste and laziness, can also be ascribed to greater causes invented by someone else (such as me) to defend them :)
"The Pinocchio Syndrome" - May be worn out, but consider that the definition of human doesn't have to be exclusive to US...maybe that robot just wishes it could be an intelligence that is capable of reasoning, but also of identifying with other lifeforms and feeling emotions. A desire to be Homo Sapiens is just the analog we use, because let's face it - the bridge to interesting, purely intellectual sf may never be crossed, and those crowds who lined up to watch Luke Skywalker battle blue people and lizardmen don't want to watch the relationship unfold between two AIs with baffling motives for existing.
"Ignoring the Butterfly Effect" - Now really. Chaos theory might say that an event can happen in any which way according to a squintillion variables or even no understandable variable at all, but in the realm of possibility isn't there a 1 in a googol chance that Marty's past will unfold the same way? Well look at that, it happened! Don't we love chance? There are also those who hold that time is unchangeable - a perfectly tenable position. Maybe Marty's parents only met because he time traveled in the first place.
"The Wish-Fulfilling Alien" - Science fiction wasn't created to explore reality, or it would be called science. While I myself would agree with you, and take the purist's route, let the fantasy element of sf continue to enchant the loving masses.
"The Theme Planet" - What if a world was a tiny bit closer to its Main Sequence sun than Earth is. Not a Mercury-sized gap I'm talking about here, just the right few thousand or million kilometers that would make the planet somewhat hotter than ours. Now maybe this planet, Dagobah, had a large water composition, and during its early ages there was a lot of outgassing through tectonic activity, which is typical of terrestrial planets. So a huge amount of water vapor gets in the atmosphere. Eventually carbon-based life occurs (and let's not get into HOW, it happened on our planet so let the topic rest) and this life is largely jungle plants. With more sunlight, and more water vapor in the air, not to mention Dagobah might have had a very high content of C02 or other greenhouse gases, these plants proliferate and cover the globe. This is possible because even at the 30-60 and 60-90 degree latitudes, it's still damn hot. We can even allow for wide temperature differences...70 Fahrenheit way up at the poles, and 100+ at the equator. The jungle biome perpetuates itself, and what we have, after billions of years of modulation and variation, is 'present-day' Dagobah. Hey, didn't Earth have a time when everything was jungle, even the poles? Unless you want to believe the mighty Bible. So you see, there are a dozen solid premises for the theme planet.
I could do all of these, but I've already OCD'ed over responding to this blog for the last 20 minutes, and I'm tired. A lot of them are cliched as you say, but that's the only thing wrong with most: they're overused. Not that they're based on impossible reality. Cheers.
Actually I care more about plot, characters and good writing that about make up, cgi or things lik "why they suposse to be like that and not like a fish with 6 legs?"
Sometimes Sci Fi is just a fantastical way to say some things.
And anyway, lol, it's just entertaiment, not a scientist thesis
I liked Part 2 much better. One issue I do have with your summations is, you are a science snob. I think you write very well, and most of points are nicely articulated, however, you ignore that this is entertainment and not science theory. Talking of creation doesn't insinuate the 7 Earth Day Biblical description. The idea that a technologically superior race could manipulate a less advance race that they had cultivated in the first place leaves the door open for discussions of the supernatural, or supernormal. To say it has no place is Science FICTION, is just insisting that your own world view is unchallengeable.
Pinocchio Syndrome. Agreed this is a tired concept. As was said before, however, most of your examples are in my estimation inaccurate. Roy Batty just wanted to live, no be human, he had a superiority complex, he viewed himself better than humans. Spock, likewise, didn't want to be more human. And T-800 only started acting human because he was "adaptable" and his source material was teenage boy.
Ignoring the Butterfly Effect: Let's start with time travel is not possible. As was stated above, taking spatial position into account, there is the matter of entropy. Just a small example, what force on earth can make Lee Harvey Oswald's bullet travel back into the barrel, re-assemble the exploded particles.. ect. etc.
Vertical Spacecraft. While I see you point, I'm sure you realize that everything we do in life is not based purely on practicality. Ergonomics and aesthetics. At the end of every decade it seems there is no shortage of those predicting how we will live in X number of years. One I find comically is the continued insistence that we all take pills for our meals. As I heard one British Journalist say, "these prognosticators fail to take into account that we like to eat" So, given that gravity and atmospherics don't play a part, then other things, like comfort, will. Human are happier in familiar surroundings, some design concepts are simply pleasing and safe.
Lastly, artificial gravity. I know this seems to be a sore spot with you, but let's face it. Muscles atrophy, if we as a race ever branch out to the stars in a serious way, we are going to want gravity. How will it be invented, we don't know, but speculating on it's existence is hardly worth the vilification it recieves.
Good site for sure, and well researched. However, I take issue with your assumption of artificial gravity being impossible. There is some progress being made in discovering a link between gravity and electromagentism; in fact, there's a good claim that an artificial acceleration field has already been created. Check out http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Science-Fiction-News.asp?NewsNum=579
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Good one, very funny... although I did pick up on the "um, spock was looking at it the other way" but same theory, just a different side of the coin.
A lot of the comments are entertaining too :)
As for the negative comments: sheesh, you people took the time to read what you consider to be crap and *then* take the time to reply along the lines of "get a life": to those people I say take a look in the frickin' mirror!
| Banking? Hey buddy Inertia still exists even in a vacuum. So you want the ships to waste fuel not only turning but compensating for your forward motion? Not practical if your small fighter has limited fuel.
If you do not compensate for forward motion, the forward motion will continue. Flight surfaces do not work in vacuum; there is nothing for them to push against. Banking would do nothing (except cause your craft to be at a different angle, and waste fuel in the process).
| fighters would still need to "bank turn" in space. If you spin an object around it's axis at high speed, even in space it's still going to create G-forces for whatever is inside it. So if you spin a fighter around it's central axis at mach 5, the human inside is going to be turned into a pile of goo.
Your velicity does not amplify the effects of rotation, else your head might fly apart when you turn it to look at the droolicious gal across the aisle from you on an airliner travelling at 500 knots (at least not the big head). Nor does your velocity relative to some other reference point affect your accelleration. (You have to open the throttle more to go faster on the highway in your car because of wind drag—which is annoyingly exponential)
In your spacecraft, you rotate (at a reasonablly non-destructive rate) to position your thusters in the direction of the desired change of velocity (which includes changing direction), and fire them to revector. Within your inertial frame of reference, you would simply be rotating, then accellerating. Your velocity relative to other objects is not relevant. Yes, changing your direction by expending reaction mass (according to Newtonian mechanics—the whole action-reaction thing) is expensive; but that's just the way it is. That is why real space craft do as little revectoring as possible.
| unless you have some sort of artifical spin ... gravity ... there isn't a need for any sort of "up or down". But you need to understand how the human brain works. Sure you could have computers lining the walls, ceilings and floors of any given zero-g room. But the moment a human goes into said room they're going to be confused since our minds are programmed with gravity in mind.
Space shuttles and manned space stations have consoles at peculiar angles and positions. The crew deal with it just fine—often working side by side, but upside down to each other.
But, granted, a cinematic audience (vidience?) is, another matter (as is a stage set).
(Oh. Someone suggested prescience on the part of Clarke, regarding velcro. The stuff did exist well before 1968, and was already in use on spacecraft, keeping all manner of things from floating about the place.)
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Where do I start... hmm English:
I once spoke to a veritable genius that was a government consultant. The guy was born and raised in the UK, had many PHD's (ranging from engineering to language (including English) to anthropology. You should have seen the plaques in his office! Anyway, I asked him a question about differences between "Queen's English" and "American English" (a few years ago). He said it is a misconception that the British speak the "correct" or older English. He said that in fact, American English (specifically "Standard American English" as broadcasters call it) is closer to "Queen's English" than the version spoken on the British Isle now. He said that there was a vast change in the British version of the language when French everything was all the rage in London (I don't remember when he said, but it was after the colonies were in full swing) and the spelling of words were changed to be more "hip" to the everything being "French". Words like "color", "neighbor", etc. were made more "French" by changing the "o" to "ou" and so on. As time went on the changes "stuck".
He said much of this can been seen from ancient English texts that are more similar to American English than modern Queen's English. Even Shakespeare (the original texts), with it's more formal version of English shows (yes, English used to have a formal and informal tree, as well as masculine and feminine versions of words like other Latin-based languages).
I told you that to tell you that Sci-Fi already has it right. Aliens should speak American English, it's older.
Now to my second point, time travel:
Everyone tries to explain time travel to be impossible by concentrating on the physics of energy and execution. Nobody, not even science, considers the "real estate" problem.
The "real estate" problem makes time travel even more complicated. Here are the "simple" explanations:
1> The Earth is traveling about 1000 miles per hour on its axis, so your location in space is changing rapidly.
2> The earth is going around the sun at roughly 18.5 miles per second, so your location in space is changing that way as well.
3> The sun (bringing along everything orbiting) orbits the galaxy at approximately 450,000 miles per hour, so you location in space is changing that way as well.
4> The Milky Galaxy (by all scientific estimates) floats through the vacuum of space at roughly 1.3 million miles an hour. So that is changing your location as well.
So... if you are going to travel through time by any great amount, you had better have also solved the problem of really fast space flight. Otherwise, when you pop into the past or future, you had better be wearing a space suit 'cause the Earth (let alone the Sun and its orbit buddies) isn't going to be there.
In fact, given that YOU are traveling at that same speed when you zap somewhere (presumably from your Earth laboratory) your inertia will also throw a monkey wrench into the problem.
Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
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